[nagdu] clicker training

[Julie J]

Lora,

Can you explain step-by-step how you are teaching the venez cue?  Perhaps if 
I understand better what you are doing, I'll be able to offer some 
suggestions of what might be happening.

I'm assuming that you didn't get your guide in the U.S. because I don't know 
of any programs here that use only positive reinforcement techniques.  I'm 
really confused as to why all of the dogs would be unsafe because of using 
clicker training.  If used correctly and the skills are thoroughly taught 
the guide should be safe.  I'm wondering if there is some other rationale? 
Perhaps inadequate socialization, lack of proper temperament for the work or 
lack of adequate training.  I don't have enough information to make any sort 
of educated guess.  I'm just tossing out food for thought.

Also, welcome to the list.  I don't think I've seen you post before.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] clicker training


>I  have been trying to teach my dog to come to my hand when I say
> 'Venez" (french for come). I started out using venez and zook the
> command the dog knows to hit the target. My dog has done great with
> the clicker but doesn't seem to get it after I don't click even if I
> physically praise. I want my dog to come when on long leash while we
> are playing.
>
> My other concern with clicker is that at a school I went to the only
> used positive reinforcement and my dog's behaviors were dangerous.
> They had so many fear issues.
> Lora and Kori
>
> On 7/31/10, The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have noticed in my past dogs who were traditionally trained, a
>> tendency to become stressed or worried when I give a correction after
>> say running me into an object.  I correct, and we rework and the dog
>> is most likely trying to figure out how she can avoid another
>> correction.
>> With my clicker trained dogs, they view a reset as another
>> opportunity.  It is a chance to try a different behavior to see if
>> they can make the clicker click and get a reward.  They are thinking,
>> and want to have that reward whether it be food or a toy or whatever.
>>
>> The difference is amazing.
>> I eventually stop using the clicker so intensely once I think the
>> behaviors are fluent, however I do occasionally give a click and treat
>> at random just to keep it interesting.  I also use it more when we're
>> in a high stress environment like a blindness convention.
>>
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point
>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-
>> wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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