[nagdu] Blind Brockton womansaysSeeingEyedognotallowedintorestaurant

Tue Jun 15 14:57:34 UTC 2010

um the chinese people who don't speak english, who own restaurants here in 
the US, they speak english, they just don't want to, and if they give you a 
hard time, you can get nasty and immigration, then they will pick up and 
speak english, I had to do that once.  It does work, they are being rude to 
you.

Cheryl Echevarria
Independent Travel Consultant
C10-10646

http://Echevarriatravel.com
1-866-580-5574

http://blog.echevarriatravel.com
Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton 
womansaysSeeingEyedognotallowedintorestaurant

> Hey Gail,
> Sure hope those troublemakers have quit their crap. We have a lawyer 
> around
> here who does that same sort of thing - only he tries to sue cities for
> violating the ADA and also small businesses that cannot afford to make 
> their
> place acessible to wheelchairs. With "friends" like that, who needs
> enemies??
>
> Someone ought to slap those PWDs silly!  These folks do NOTHING to further
> our cause of gaining access to our service dogs - like the ones who bring 
> a
> bowl of goldfish and boa constrictors on planes and claim they're "service
> animals".  The proposed new changes to the ADA hope to address these 
> issues.
>
> I think you were on the list before I came on.  I'm Lyn and I'm working my
> eighth dog, Landon who is a Lab/Golden cross.  He's four years old.  We 
> live
> in sunny San Diego! Welcome back!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gail" <deerskin at oct.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman
> saysSeeingEyedognotallowedintorestaurant
>
>
> > There was a period, a few years ago, where people were trying to sneak
> > their
> > pets in everywhere by putting a vest or bandana on, and also some
> > legitimately disabled people going out with their dogs 'nude', only 
> > collar
> > and leash. Both types were causing trouble out here in the Kansas area, 
> > at
> > least, especially after the passing of the laws on owner training, and 
> > the
> > ID law. (in Kansas, SDs are supposed to have a visible ID badge, showing
> > dog
> > and owner info, and program that trained the dog. Of course, Fed law
> > trumping state law, I was likely the only one in the state who actually
> > had
> > one! <wry grin>
> >
> > One bunch of PWDs I knew of loved to go to ethnic restaurants, SDs 
> > wearing
> > no working tack at all, and when the owner would try to throw them out 
> > for
> > being pet owners, raise Cain with them for breaking the law. They set up
> > the
> > situation specifically to get the oriental/etc owner angry, to push his
> > buttons, and the goal was to get a free meal for the lot of 
> > troublemakers!
> >
> > Gail
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message------- 
> >
> > From: Julie McGinnity
> > Date: 6/14/2010 4:13:20 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says
> > SeeingEyedognotallowedintorestaurant
> >
> > This is really interesting. I have only been asked about a handful of
> > Times if my dog is a service dog, and I have only had to show my doggy
> > ID once. That was at the Empire State Building. It must be about
> > Where you live whether people ask you to varify that the dog is a
> > Guide dog.. Here in St. Louis people must recognize that my dog is a
> > Guide dog, so they don't bother us about it. I wonder why some cities
> > Are stricter about this kind of thing. Just curious.
> >
> > On 6/14/10, Gail <deerskin at oct.net> wrote:
> >> Having recongnisable tack, and an ID badge for the dog does wonders for
> >> preventing access problems before they can even start. I've only had 
> >> one
> >> problem with access, and that was getting permission to go to Mass with
> >> my
> >
> >> SD. Took at least 2 years, and a change of pastors, before they got the
> > idea
> >> that I couldnt go out without my dog's help.
> >>
> >> Gail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------Original Message------- 
> >>
> >> From: Tamara Smith-Kinney
> >> Date: 6/14/2010 1:05:51 PM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing
> >> Eyedognotallowedintorestaurant
> >>
> >> There's nothing like a toddler to put the world into perspective. /lol/
> >> Since we're not right next dor to our favorite toddler anymore, I miss
> >> all
> >
> >> those little opportunities to just watch her process the world and 
> >> learn.
> >> Without having to go our and come up with a toddler of my own, of 
> >> course!
> >> /grin/ I leave that to braver souls than I.
> >>
> >> It seems to be a good analogy to some adults' interactions with service
> >> dogs. Portland is slowly morphing from super-dog friendly to more
> >> restrained about where dogs do and don't go. So now I get to say, "Yes,
> >> she's a service dog," every time I walk in someplace. In a few places,
> >> though, I've noticed that the question gets blurted out of the way real
> >> fast
> >> so that whoever dutifully asked can start gushing over the poodle. Who
> >> knows very well how to milk the attention. Sigh. When she was younger, 
> >> I
> >> was pretty permissive with people because Mitzi was so reserved that I
> >> wanted to ensure she wouldn't be too stressed to work around people...
> >>
> >> Problem solved! New problem created. Sigh. Well, the beauty of being an
> >> owner-trainer is that when you've been lax in your work and need to go
> > back
> >> to school, you don't have to ship the dog out. The bummer of being a
> >> first-time owner-trainer and guide dog user is that you find yourself
> >> having
> >> to go back to school because when you have your mind on other things, 
> >> you
> >> slip into bad habits. I figure the year I come into spring without
> >> suddenly
> >> noticing that I need to put too much time and energy into fixing my 
> >> slack
> >> habits and reminding the dog not to get slack because of it, I will be
> > able
> >> to call myself a guide dog handler.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the digression. /smile/ I have an opportunity to go do some
> >> crowd and store work today, and am disgusted with myself for having to
> >> think
> >> my way through what I want to work on because I've gotten too lazy 
> >> about
> >> just taking quick hops in the car instead of making sure I give my dog
> > real
> >> work.
> >>
> >> Good thing I don't have a toddler, eh? /grin/
> >>
> >> Tami Smith-Kinney
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >
> >> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> >> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:49 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye
> >> dognotallowedintorestaurant
> >>
> >> I have a preschooler. I can tell you that she understands very well
> >> about when you do and do not pet a dog. I can also tell you that if she
> >> had any inkling you'd let her pet your dog because you think she is too
> >> young to undersand, she'd milk it for all it's worth for as long as she
> >> could.
> >> Reading this post makes me hear a chorus of preschoolers and toddlers
> >> saying altogether "sucker!"
> >> Do whatever you want with your dog, just know that the toddler and
> >> preschool crowd is one smart bunch and knows how to work the system to
> >> get what they want... if you allow it.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:46 PM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog
> >> notallowedintorestaurant
> >>
> >> In response to the observation of guide dog access in Chinese
> >> restaurants, I
> >> have recently attended an ethnic Chinese church with experiences of
> >> acceptance and interest. A church congregation has potentially even 
> >> more
> >> opportunities to discourage guide dog users from attending services or
> >> events than a restaurant. While the public is admitted to a church,
> >> social
> >> exclusion can be an informal barrier. The Chinese folks I encountered
> >> are
> >> teaching their children about guide dogs as they encounter Abby, my 50
> >> lb.
> >> German Shepherd from Seeing Eye. I have deliberately relaxed my usual
> >> rules
> >> to allow them to touch and pet her as she sits in harness so they will
> >> not
> >> be afraid, and have a positive association. These are toddlers and
> >> preschoolers. To the few older kids, I explain the rules about the
> >> harness
> >> being her "work uniform" etc. I have not always had such positive
> >> experiences particularly in churches- but don't get me started!/smile/.
> >> I
> >> am a Christian, and I relate to that world-wide group of people who 
> >> have
> >> in
> >> common changed lives by their faith in Jesus of Nazareth as the living
> >> savior. That said, some of my "relatives" embarrass me thoroughly by
> >> their
> >> actions and attitudes toward persons with disabilities. Referring to
> >> disability issues, a friend told me, "Basically, there are 2 broad 
> >> types
> >> of
> >> people in the world, those who accept persons with disabilities as 
> >> equal
> >> human beings, and those who exclude and scape goat them at every
> >> opportunity." I think there is a middle ground even in that dichotomy.
> >>
> >> My point is that as with any particular group of human beings sharing a
> >> commonality, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. context is important
> >> and
> >> stereotypes don't always fit. I guess I just want to contribute another
> >> viewpoint on Chinese people.
> >>
> >> Thanks for listening-
> >> Cathryn (& Abby)
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of cheryl echevarria
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:02 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog
> >> notallowedintorestaurant
> >>
> >> We also have to remember for whatever reason here, is that I am not
> >> picking
> >> on anyone, but I have found it primarily to the the Chinese restaurants
> >> in
> >> my area, when I first got maxx that I had issues with, accept the girls
> >> from
> >>
> >> a Spanish country, who were not management and lied that the management
> >> said
> >>
> >> my dog couldn't come in the restaurant, were finally fired very 
> >> recently
> >> in
> >> fact for doing it again to another person who had a service animal who
> >> wasn't blind, but had an assist dog with them.
> >>
> >> As I was saying it seems like the Chinese restaurants seem to have
> >> issues
> >> with them, there maybe others out there I am sure, but for the most 
> >> part
> >>
> >> that is what I am finding, until, of course, I have other issues.
> >>
> >> Cheryl Echevarria
> >> Independent Travel Consultant
> >> C10-10646
> >>
> >> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> >> 1-866-580-5574
> >>
> >> http://blog.echevarriatravel.com
> >> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> >> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> >> CST-1018299-10
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog
> >> notallowedinto
> >>
> >> restaurant
> >>
> >>
> >>> That would be a worth while article to read as well. Thanks for
> >> updating
> >>> us
> >>> Buddy.
> >>>
> >>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >>> CEO/Founder
> >>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >>> New York, New York 10004
> >>> www.myblindspot.org
> >>> PH: 917-553-0347
> >>> Fax: 212-858-5759
> >>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
> >> who is
> >>> doing it."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Buddy Brannan
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:32 AM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog not
> >>> allowedinto restaurant
> >>>
> >>> I just saw an update to this article. Apparently the owners of the
> >>> restaurant went out to this woman's house, in person, and apologized.
> >> They
> >>> have further suspended the employee in question for a week without
> >> pay,
> >>> and
> >>> they have pledged a donation to the Seeing Eye. Sounds like they
> >> really
> >>> want
> >>> to make amends to me.
> >>> -- 
> >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Cathryn Bonnette wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I have a simple approach for such incidents. I explain to the
> >> employee
> >>> that
> >>> > my guide dog is my eyes and is protected by law. If they insist we
> >>> > cannot
> >>> be
> >>> > served, I ask for the manager. Once I confirm that the manager is
> >> also
> >>> > refusing us service, I quietly ask, "Would you like to call the
> >> police,
> >>> > or
> >>> > shall I call them?" In most cases, this question alerts them to the
> >> fact
> >>> > that they are wrong. In 2 out of many incidents, either a manager or
> >> I
> >>> have
> >>> > called police who talk directly to management about the law,
> >> reinforcing
> >>> > what I have explained. The result is that we are served
> >> excellently,
> >>> often
> >>> > with apologies. Also, the rights of all dog users are protected. I
> >> am
> >>> > convinced that each single incident is important because guide dog
> >> users
> >>> are
> >>> > a triple minority- disabled people are a minority, blindness is a
> >>> > minority
> >>> > of that group, and guide dog users are a minority of blind people.
> >> We
> >>> > have
> >>> > to support each other on access issues, or the law becomes
> >> ineffective,
> >>> and
> >>> > we all lose.
> >>> > (OK, I'm stepping off my "soapbox". It's early Saturday morning-
> >> time
> >>> > for
> >>> a
> >>> > cup of coffee! Happy Saturday everyone!
> >>> >
> >>> > Cathryn (& Abby)
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message----- 
> >>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> > Behalf
> >>> > Of Mark J. Cadigan
> >>> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:22 PM
> >>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog not
> >>> > allowedintorestaurant
> >>> >
> >>> > There must be some sort of way to teach the general public about
> >> guide
> >>> > dog
> >>>
> >>> > access legislation. The Patriot Ledger is my home town news paper
> >> and I
> >>> live
> >>> >
> >>> > a few miles away from the area where this incident took place.
> >> Brockton
> >>> > MA
> >>>
> >>> > is an interesting town to say the least. This man referred to might
> >> not
> >>> > understand American law. This might partly explain this incident.
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> > From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> >>> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >> Users'"
> >>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:01 AM
> >>> > Subject: [nagdu] Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog not
> >> allowed
> >>> > intorestaurant
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Blind Brockton woman says Seeing Eye dog not allowed into
> >>> >> restaurant
> >>> >> By Maria Papadopoulos
> >>> >> ENTERPRISE STAFF WRITER
> >>> >> Posted Jun 11, 2010 @ 01:38 AM
> >>> >>
> >>> >> BROCKTON, MASS. - Claire Crowell says she could not see the man
> >>> >> who refused to let her Seeing Eye dog accompany her into a city
> >>> >> restaurant.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> She could only hear him - and his words stunned her.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "He said, 'I don't care, you can't come in here with the dog,'"
> >>> >> Crowell, 69, said while standing next to the dog, Vixen, in the
> >>> >> kitchen of her Brockton home Thursday afternoon.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Crowell said she and a friend went to the Chinatown restaurant on
> >>> >> Oak Street Extension on Wednesday for lunch.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When she walked inside with Vixen, she said a male employee told
> >>> >> her she could come in, but to leave the dog outside.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Crowell said she told the employee that federal law allows her to
> >>> >> bring a guide dog into the restaurant, but the man refused the
> >>> >> dog again. Crowell then left the restaurant.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "I felt embarrassed and violated, you know? It's very
> >>> >> embarrassing," Crowell said, crying. "It's hard enough to be a
> >>> >> disabled person, but when you're treated like that, it's not
> >>> >> fun."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The federal Americans with Disabilities Act requires
> >>> >> privately-owned businesses that serve the public to allow people
> >>> >> with disabilities to bring their service animals onto business
> >>> >> premises in whatever areas customers are generally allowed. The
> >>> >> law applies to businesses including restaurants, hotels, retail
> >>> >> stores, taxicabs, theaters, concert halls and sports facilities.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> State law says that whoever deprives a physically handicapped
> >>> >> person this right may be fined $300 and is liable for civil
> >>> >> action.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> At Chinatown restaurant on Thursday, employee Dominic So said
> >>> >> that he refused to let Vixen, Crowell's dog, into the restaurant
> >>> >> on Wednesday.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "I work here. I have the right to stop the dog," said So, 50. "I
> >>> >> won't let a dog in the restaurant."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When informed of the federal law that allows a guide dog to be
> >>> >> inside the restaurant, So said, "I have no clue."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "The dog can wait outside," So said. "When she eats, she doesn't
> >>> >> need the dog. When she walks, she needs the dog. I understand
> >>> >> that."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> So said that Crowell could have people assist her inside the
> >>> >> restaurant, but the dog should stay outside.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "I just can't let a dog in the dining room when I have customers
> >>> >> dining here," So said. "If she insists I violated her rights,
> >>> >> there's nothing I can do. I'm right to refuse a dog in the
> >>> >> restaurant."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Businesses refusing guide dogs is seen regularly, and often
> >>> >> results from a misunderstanding on the part of business owners,
> >>> >> said Chris Danielsen, spokesman for the National Federation of
> >>> >> the Blind in Baltimore.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "You simply have to educate the business owner," he said. "If a
> >>> >> business owner actually refuses, it can lead to seeking charges
> >>> >> to being filed."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "It's obviously very upsetting to the person that it happens to,"
> >>> >> he added.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If Crowell made a complaint to police, officers would go to the
> >>> >> restaurant to explain the law to employees, police Lt. Tom
> >>> >> LaFratta said.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "If they still refuse, I would take punitive action," LaFratta
> >>> >> said.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Crowell said she formerly worked as a medical assistant before an
> >>> >> autoimmune condition led to the deterioration of her eyesight
> >>> >> over the past three decades. She became legally blind in the
> >>> >> 1990s.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hugging Vixen, she said she relies on the part golden retriever,
> >>> >> part Labrador retriever on showing her the way.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "The dog is my eyes," she said. "She is supposed to see for me
> >>> >> and guide me where I need to go."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Maria Papadopoulos can be reached at
> >>> >> mpapadopoulos at enterprisenews.com.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Source:
> >>> >> http://www.patriotledger.com/business/x1602635111/Blind-Brockton-
> >>> >> woman-Seeing-Eye-dog-not-allowed-into-restaurant
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> nagdu mailing list
> >>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> for
> >>> >> nagdu:
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.c
> >> om
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > nagdu mailing list
> >>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> for
> >>> nagdu:
> >>> >
> >>>
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cathrynisfinally%
> >> 40ve
> >>> > rizon.net
> >>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>> > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date:
> >> 06/11/10
> >>> > 18:35:00
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > nagdu mailing list
> >>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> >> for
> >>> nagdu:
> >>> >
> >>>
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.n
> >> ame
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> nagdu:
> >>>
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/albert%40myblinds
> >> pot.
> >>> org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> nagdu:
> >>>
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40h
> >> otma
> >> il.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cathrynisfinally%
> >> 40ve
> >> rizon.net
> >>
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 
> >> 06/11/10
> >> 18:35:00
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rebecca.pickrell%
> >> 40tasc.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara
> > 8024%40comcast
> >> .net
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nagdu:
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/deerskin%40oct.net
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Julie McG
> > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> > Eyes for the Blind
> >
> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> > life."
> > John 3:16
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nagdu mailing list
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nagdu:
> >
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/deerskin%40oct.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nagdu mailing list
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nagdu:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/linda.gwizdak%40cox.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nagdu:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
> 