[nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick street

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 24 11:58:03 UTC 2010


Wow! Really! Wow!  That is really encouraging!  Wow! I am Shocked!


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marion Gwizdala<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net> 
  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick street


  Albert,
      I have an idea! Go to a busy intersection in new York City and step out 
  into traffic! Let us know how you fare in court, if you are alive to fare!

  Marion


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
  To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
  <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick street


  > Maybe we should just agree to disagree. I am not inclined to follow your
  > line of thinking here especially when laws such as the ones on the books 
  > in
  > many states require a car to stop the moment a blind person steps into the
  > road, I have seen that even if the blind person neglected to use his cane 
  > or
  > dog and should for whatever reason fly solo, this would not preclude a
  > driver from taking responsibility to stop and allow the pedestrian to 
  > pass.
  > So, it seems we are going to agree to disagree here,
  >
  > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
  > CEO/Founder
  > My Blind Spot, Inc.
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  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  > Of Marion Gwizdala
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:03 PM
  > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
  > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick 
  > street
  >
  > Albert,
  >    As you stated, drivers should use "due caution" to avoid striking a
  > pedestrian. At the same time, if that pedestrian - whether blind or
  > sighted - is crossing against the light and is struck or in any other way
  > causes a traffic crash, such a pedestrian may likely be party to a law 
  > suit
  > to recover damages resulting from the crash. The only thing I see in the
  > laws that I have read is that the failure of a blind person to use a cane 
  > or
  >
  > guide dog cannot be used to assign a portion of the contributory 
  > negligence.
  >
  > Other than that fact, the negligence of a blind person to observe other 
  > laws
  >
  > pertaining to safe pedestrian travel can be used to assign a person's
  > contribution to the incident that causes the damages being recovered.
  >
  > Fraternally yours,
  > Marion Gwizdala
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
  > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
  > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:42 PM
  > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick 
  > street
  >
  >
  >> No, not unless and until there are audible crossing signs to allow for 
  >> our
  >> choice to ignore said signage and then perhaps only then could I see a
  >> lawyer attempting to make that case. However, an elementary glance at the
  >> laws as they pertain to pedestrians of all abilities make the drivers
  >> responsible  for taking all actions to avoid hitting a pedestrian. Now,
  >> how
  >> all that would play out in court should it go that far is only to be
  >> decided
  >> in a court room. But first and foremost, blind or not the laws as written
  >> require that all drivers yield the right of way to a pedestrian, unless
  >> that
  >> is a specific law includes guidelines pointing out specifically that a
  >> drivers responsibility is waived if a pedestrian crosses against the
  >> light.
  >> I have yet to see any statute expressly making such a statement. If you
  >> can
  >> find one share it here could make the discussion a little more
  >> interesting.
  >>
  >> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
  >> CEO/Founder
  >> My Blind Spot, Inc.
  >> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
  >> New York, New York  10004
  >> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/>
  >> PH: 917-553-0347
  >> Fax: 212-858-5759
  >> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
  >> is
  >> doing it."
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  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
  >> Behalf
  >> Of Dan Weiner
  >> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:09 PM
  >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
  >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick
  >> street
  >>
  >> , a hypothetical question, guys.
  >> Now, whether we like to admit it or now, all of us have crossed against
  >> the
  >> light at least once.
  >> There's no moving traffic, or the cars turn in strange ways or something.
  >> So, if we cross against the light, but not deliberately in to traffic,
  >> what
  >> would be the implications of that?
  >> Would you then say that we have partial responsibility?
  >>
  >> Dan W. and the big boy, Carter
  >>
  >>
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