[nagdu] APS was White Cane laws

Sat Mar 27 21:41:28 UTC 2010

Yes, you are exactly correct. Making cars emit a noise that will allow
pedestrians (all pedestrians) to hear them will fall upon the car
companies. 

As opposed to APSs that fall upon state and local governments, who are
experiencing massive budget deficits across the country. Governments are
being forced to furlough and layoff workers from California to New York.

Jonathan T. Lyens MPA 
Email: jonathan at lyens.com 
Fax: (321) 256-8896 
Skype: jlyens 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:26 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws

Julie,
Why, yes - the car companies would have to dig into their PROFITS to
create 
the sounds for the silent hybrids! LOL!!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws

> Check out
> http://www.nfb.org
> I'm sure there will be links to read about the quiet car initiative.
> and last I heard it was very close to having the support it needs to
pass.
>>From my perspective it seems that many politicians and the public are
in
> support, but the main opposition has come from the car manufacturers.
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"

> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>
>
>> That is an effective option for sure. but, truthfully, I cannot see
the
>> general public getting behind that one. Is there someplace I could go
to
>> find more information on this proposal so I could learn more about
the
>> efforts?
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
who 
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:02 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>>
>> Albert,
>>
>> NFB is working diligently to pass legislation that would require that

>> hybrid
>>
>> cars have some sort of sound even when they are operating at lower 
>> speeds.
>>
>> Personally, I think this will be more effective than APS.  If I can
hear 
>> the
>>
>> car no matter where it is I will be able to take appropriate action
in a
>> parking lot, side street, country road or where ever.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>
>>
>>> Now in reaction to the hybrid cars which are environmentally
friendly 
>>> and
>>> very quiet, why are we not mobilizing the forces to require that
urban
>>> planners and departments of roads or transportation or what ever
>>> department
>>> it is that regulates crossing signs start using audible crossing
signs 
>>> as
>>> is
>>> done in many European cities. I hear tell of how the infrastructure
is 
>>> to
>>> old and to costly to work with, yet I would think that Paris and
London
>>> are
>>> much older cities then any of ours and they some how were able to
bridge
>>> that gap. Would be another great focus of our community to work
together
>>> to
>>> effect if you ask me.
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> CEO/Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York  10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
who 
>>> is
>>> doing it."
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
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>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jewel S.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>
>>> Here, here!
>>>
>>> I have been hit by a car, albeit a very slow moving car, so I was
not
>>> injured very much at all. The car was backing out of a parking spot
>>> after telling me to go ahead. He didn't look where he was going, and
>>> his bumper struck me before I knew what was going on. I beat the
trunk
>>> with my cane and shouted at him, trying to scuttle out of the way
(not
>>> easy for me), but he would not stop. I would have fallen if someone
>>> hadn't run up and caught me and another man knocked on the driver's
>>> window, the idiot. I told them to get the license plate number, but
>>> they did not. I was very upset. This was also a quiet car.
>>>
>>> The Quiet Car Bill is something I have been watching very closely.
It
>>> is almost passed through to law. It is getting sooo close. When it
>>> does pass, the government will be required to do a survery and
figure
>>> out a way for quiet cars to produce the sound needed by pedestrians.
>>>
>>> I am very sorry about the loss of your guide dog, friend, and the
>>> injury of your other friend. Your story is one of the many very real
>>> reasons why the White Cane Laws were ut in place in the first place,
>>> to save lives.
>>>
>>> How many lives must be taken before the laws are enforced?
>>> ~Jewel
>>>
>>> On 3/24/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>> Here here!
>>>>
>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
who
>>>> is
>>>> doing it."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I'm so sorry!  I didn't know that had happened to you.  It must
have 
>>>> been
>>>> awful for a long, long time after the fact.  And I'm sure whatever
>>> recourse
>>>> you received was not worth the loss.  I'm glad you're well and
still
>>> living
>>>> your life.
>>>>
>>>> While I am glad the white cane laws and pedestrian laws underlying
them
>>>> do
>>>> give me some added rights and protections.  Greater awareness and 
>>>> greater
>>>> enforcement does and will give us better odds of traveling safely 
>>>> through
>>>> our daily lives.
>>>>
>>>> There will still be those people who disengage brain before turning

>>>> key,
>>> but
>>>> the more drivers who are aware of the law, of their
responsibilities as
>>>> drivers, and of the consequences of their not taking their
>>> responsibilities
>>>> seriously when they're behind the wheel, the better off we'll all
be.
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:23 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>
>>>> Could we possibly get back to discussing better enforcement of
White 
>>>> Cane
>>>> laws, and drop all the sniping?  Or is it the concensus that the
White
>>>> Cane laws are outmoded, and we should just let them drop and ignore

>>>> them?
>>>> I'm not asking for someone else to be responsible for my safety,
but I 
>>>> am
>>>> asking that the drivers take their share of responsibility.  They
are 
>>>> the
>>>> ones in charge of the vehicle that is a lot faster and heavier than
I 
>>>> am.
>>>> I am especially concerned with new quieter cars becoming more
common.
>>>> I've lost count of the times my dog has stopped short, then I've
heard
>>>> the
>>>> car whizzing by in front of us.
>>>>
>>>> I personally know 3 people who've been hit.  One was crossing with
the
>>>> light when a bus turned on top of her, and she was killed.  One was
>>>> crossing a quiet street, when some old fool came speeding around a 
>>>> blind
>>>> corner and hit her.  Now she has to use a wheelchair.  And one was
me,
>>>> trying to cross a street to get home during an ice storm.  There
wasn't
>>>> enough traffic, and there wasn't anyone around to ask, and I
probably
>>>> misjudged the traffic light.  My dog was killed.
>>>>
>>>> Two of these accidents could have been avoided, if the driver were 
>>>> paying
>>>> propper attention.  We have laws on the books that say they should
be
>>>> particularly careful when a blind pedestrian is in the street.  I'd

>>>> like
>>>> to see greater awareness of those laws.  It doesn't seem so much to

>>>> ask,
>>>> to save a life.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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