[nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick street

[Michelle]

Hi, I'd like to remind you that it's not the dog's responsibility to cross 
the road safely, although they appear to have enough sense to try their 
best. So it's not whether the dog is doing his/her job in keeping someone 
safe on the road, it's the blind person's job to keep safe as much as 
possible, and the drivers' job to make time to stop for the person, to 
ensure all is peaceful. if the dog is veering into the road and acting up, 
different matter. But if it's working as instructed and the person gets hit, 
then of course there needs to be investigation into whether the person 
wasn't concentrating properly or if it was inf act the driver, or sometimes 
both...

Best wishes with this debate!

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick street


>I wonder though if a cane user might fair better in a legal case i.e.
> the dog wasn't/didn't do his job, but the person with the cane couldn't
> have known about the car?
> Interesting question, and as Dan says, let's hope we all only discuss
> this on a theoretical level.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Dan Weiner
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:50 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Washington - Guide dog killed crossing Kennewick
> street
>
> I agree with you totally, Albert.
> I was bringing up that scenario because I wouldn't put it past some law
> enforcement people who might not be acquainted with blind travel
> techniques
> to say that type of thing.
> I, especially in my first months as a guide dog user, had several
> crossing
> against the light incidents  after  which I was told by nasty
> bystanders, ,
> "your dog's badly trained, he crossed you against the light, you should
> get
> another one".
> This business of thinking that a guide dog reads traffic, this old
> wives'
> tale has been one of the most annoying things I've dealt with as a guide
> dog
> user.
>
> Once I was talking to a police officer I know from the neighborhood
> about
> the White Cane Law, and he asked "well, wouldn't your dog keep you safe
> and
> not let you cross when a car's coming".
> We all know that the answer to that one is more complicated than "yes "
> or
> "no" because it's you and your well-trained dog against someone behind
> of
> the wheel of a big metal machine.
> Anyway, it took me a few minutes to really explain to this very nice
> officer
> that cars are required to give thee right of way and my dog's training
> wouldn't make me responsible if something happened
> Because my dog didn't "do his job" in quotations.
>
> Now, having said all of this, let's hope that all of us will only have
> to
> discusses this hypothetically.  Take care of yourselves, two-legged and
> four-legged friends.
>
> Dan and Carter
> -----Original M
>
>
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