[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

GARY STEEVES rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
Sat Nov 20 19:52:24 UTC 2010 

Hi:

Susan is my girlfriend and Bogart is always a bit more distracted when we are walking together. Of course, it isn't always easy to stay calm but I think it is mor about how you are communicating when things go wrong or you are faced with a challenge. Not to quote the dog whisperer but it is true, if we stay calm and assertive we are much better communicators and usually can  achieve our goal.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:00 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re:  Full Body Scanning Machines
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Gary, 
> I'm curious, who or what is Susan? Why wouldn't your pup be as 
> calm and
> responsive? 
> For those who are nervous about the whole experience, what are you
> nervous about. Is it flying itself, or security? 
> And, what do you do if you just cannot get into that zen state? 
> I don't
> have that problem, I enjoy flying and airport security doesn't 
> phase me.
> I ask because staying calm can be way harder then it sounds.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines
> 
> 
> Hi Tamara:
> 
> What I really tried hard to do when I did my last flight was to stay
> calm and relaxed no matter what happened. My thought was that Bogart
> would read off of me what I was feeling. If I was acting relaxed then
> this might help him stay in a similar frame of mind. It seemed 
> to work
> good for security. Even when I had some issues on the airplane 
> regardingthe seat for Bogart I kept cool, kept to the facts and 
> tried not to get
> too excited.
> 
> Our next flight will be to Kellowna for xmas to be with my 
> girlfriend'sfamily. We'll see how Bogart is when we add Susan to 
> the mix. I have a
> feeling not quite so calm and responsive. :)
> 
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re:  Full Body Scanning Machines
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
> > Oh, yeah.  Been there, done that.  There was no way 
> I 
> > was letting go of a
> > newbie Mitzi guide.  Which seemed to irritate the 
> security 
> > guy in Houston.
> > I really did think about it, but ...  Now I wouldn't turn 
> a 
> > hair at the
> > notion.  She musta grown up or something.
> > 
> > She was also super shy about having other people touch her, 
> > especially if
> > she picked up a negative vibe from me, which she did 
> > there.  Then again,
> > even her bestest human buddies were iffy, although she was 
> > startig to warm
> > up to more and more people.  So the pat down made her 
> > wiggle and levitate
> > with anxiety, not joy, and she kept trying to dance around the 
> > male agent
> > and get to me while the female agent patted me down, insisting 
> > that I keep
> > my dog away from her...  What a mess!
> > 
> > Don't know how she'll do next time we fly.  I kep working 
> > on her shyness
> > issues with rewards and the "controlled greet" and now she's a 
> > shamelesshussy!  Only with dog and cat people, 
> > though.  She hes yet to introduce me
> > to a new best friend who doesn't already adore her.  /smile/
> > 
> > So maybe she'll decide to charm the next security team that 
> > wants to make
> > sure we're on the up and up?  /grin/
> > 
> > Tami Smith-Kinney
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > On Behalf
> > Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:24 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines
> > 
> > 
> > I get the whole "I trust my dog" bit, but what if the dog is new
> > and you simply don't have enough information or experience to 
> > know the
> > dog will behave according to plan? With the pat down, the dog 
> > and you
> > are together and you can stop the dog if he/she tries to 
> escape 
> > or do
> > something they shouldn't. 
> > It's great to trust your dog, but sometimes you have to fly 
> when 
> > the dog
> > is new
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:54 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> > 
> > Arrow thinks the agents wish to play with him and he doles out 
> > generous 
> > kisses and tries to get in agents' laps.
> > 
> > margo and Arrow
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> > Users" 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> > 
> > 
> > I use the same method as Mike.  Benny loves the pat-
> > down.  He's apt to
> > hand out free kisses to the person doing the patting.
> > 
> > It's a considerable relief to me to know I won't get X-rayed 
> > every time
> > I
> > go to the airport.
> > Tracy
> > 
> > > Everyone will proceed through security in their own 
> way.  
> > I, for
> > example,
> > > get to the opening of the standard portal, drop the harness 
> > and tell
> > > Africa
> > > to sit and stay, drop the leash and then go through the detector.
> > Once on
> > > the other side I call her.
> > >
> > > The advantage of this approach is that I do not set off the 
> detector> and
> > > thus generally never face a more rigorous patdown or body scan.
> > Africa
> > > comes through the detector and always gets a full patdown 
> > which is
> > never
> > > long enough for her taste.
> > >
> > > As someone else said on this list don't make the new 
> > proceedures more
> > than
> > > what they are.  If you don't set off detectors you 
> > usually won't get
> > > searched anyway.  Act friendly, engage the TSA folks in 
> a 
> > friendlyway,
> > > and
> > > you won't have a problem.
> > >
> > > I have a goal every time I go to the airport of getting TSA 
> > people to
> > > laugh.
> > > It works and I don't have problems with them.
> > >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> > bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Marsha Drenth
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:12 AM
> > > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog 
> > Users'> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> > >
> > > Don't know how this is supposed to work. Is it dangerous for 
> > the dogs
> > to
> > > go
> > > into the scanner?
> > >
> > > Guess I will see how all this works. Joe and I are flying to 
> > Texas for
> > > thanksgiving. I am a bit anxious, but not much I can do 
> about it.
> > > Yesterday,
> > > while on the way to school, there was a radio program with 
> > women who
> > flew,
> > > and was having the "pat-down". But from her accounts the 
> "pat-
> > down" is
> > > more
> > > like being sexually assaulted. And I thought it was just her 
> account> of
> > > the
> > > events but, there were other women calling into the program, 
> saying> the
> > > same
> > > thing. That for women who are being patted-down, the people 
> > who touch
> > your
> > > very private areas, and even under the breasts. I understand 
> > the need
> > for
> > > security at the airport, But. But. But. This is in my 
> opinion; 
> > you can
> > > take
> > > it or leave it, a clear violation of our privacy.
> > >
> > > And from what I heard and have read, is if someone sets off 
> > the metal
> > > detector, then you're "patted-down" or full body scanned. 
> Now 
> > who of
> > us
> > > with
> > > our dogs, is not going to set off the metal detectors. I 
> > usually go
> > > through
> > > the metal detector, without my dog. But because she sets it 
> > off, I get
> > > searched too, not just her. Doesn't make much sense to me.
> > >
> > > Like I said, just my two cents.
> > >
> > > Marsha
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> > bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Toni Whaley
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:39 PM
> > > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog 
> > Users'> Subject: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with 
> > canes or
> > dogs
> > > now
> > > that the full body machine has been installed in most 
> > airports? What
> > do we
> > > do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to 
> > submit to
> > the
> > > more intrusive patdown?
> > >
> > > Toni
> > >
> > >
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