[nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

[Lisa Irving]

TOday is a good example of when it would have been beneficial to know how to 
use a follow command. Bernie and I kind of followed Landon and his handler 
through very busy areas. I was frustrated and I think Bernie was just trying 
to do his best and seemed confused.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program


> Hi Julie.
> I'm not sure either, but I think having a conversation with the person I'm
> trying to follow helps.  I think it helps keep Ben focussed on the person,
> and helps me know if he's getting other ideas and heading elsewhere.
> Tracy
>
>> To all of you who have taught the follow command, can you share tips on
>> how
>> you did it?
>>
>> I taught Belle, but I don't really remember completely how I did it.  She
>> picked it up very easily and was one of those dogs who would follow to 
>> the
>> exclusion of all else.
>>
>> I've been working on the concept with Monty off and on for a while now,
>> but
>> he isn't very good at following.  He wants to be out front and in the
>> lead.
>> that's fine most of the time, but sometimes I do need him to follow, like
>> yesterday when we were following someone in a parking lot to a particular
>> car.
>>
>> Thoughts? Ideas?
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>
>>
>>> When I got my first dog I taught him to follow on my own. They don't
>>> want
>>> the dogs to just follow people so they don't risk teaching it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:45 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>
>>> Carin,
>>> I've known several people who got dogs at Pilot.  They went during the
>>> 80s
>>> and 90s and they had traffic training and their dogs worked fine as far
>>> as
>>> I
>>> could see.  What I did hear is that they don't teach the "Follow"
>>> command.
>>> I have since heard that other schools aren't teaching the "Follow"
>>> command
>>> either.
>>>
>>> To me, the "Follow" command is a very good one that I use all the time
>>> when
>>> I'm in a store or just out and about with other guide dog users and I
>>> don't
>>> know the route - usually inside a mall or store.  Out on the street, I
>>> use
>>> the regular guide commands.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Karen Alexander" <kalex710 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:42 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>
>>>
>>>>I spoke with Alec a member of Nagdu and a guide dog handler. I found out
>>>> that Pilot Dogs train their dogs for only three months. It seems that
>>>> they
>>>> are not thoroughly trained with traffic, etc. I am just in the
>>>> beginning
>>>> state of choosing an organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I could used input from anyone on this list regarding Pilot Dogs both
>>>> positive and negative.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a grave concern to me to be given a dog who could put both of us
>>>> in
>>>> harms way. How can a service dog organization not be called out for
>>>> unsafe
>>>> dogs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The newbie,
>>>>
>>>> Carin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Karen Alexander
>>>>
>>>> home:    330 864 8351
>>>>
>>>> mobile:  330 715 4690
>>>>
>>>> 710 White Pond Dr #705
>>>>
>>>> Akron, Ohio 44320
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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