[nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

[Julie]

well Lisa they teach you how to teach your dog new commands and I worked 
with Graham last week teaching my dog the follow command at Guiding Eyes, so 
they don't say you can't just be sure they are following the right person 
and not just some random person.  I have taught all of my dogs to follow as 
well as a few other commands that they did not learn at GEB.

Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program


> Leader does the same, and no confusion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Lyn Gwizdak
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:22 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>
> To avoid confusion, the dog needs to learn that when you tell it to follow
> someone, you want him to follow that person.  He should learn that he 
> isn't
> to randomly follow people if there is no command from you.
>
> Seeing Eye still teaches "Follow" and the dogs have no confusion.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>
>
>> The follow command sounds beneficial. Guiding Eyes discourages the dogs
>> from following some one in a store.If I've got it right, the person
>> guiding us through the restaurant or store is supposed to walk be hind us
>> and tell us which way to go. Personally, I find this confusing and
>> frustrating.
>>
>> Bernie and  I went to the very crowded and noisy winter pops. I tried the
>> walk behind me and let me know which way we're going. Bernie was ready to
>> blow through the masses. I opted instead to heal Bernie. Even in the
>> grocery store, it's almost easier to heal my dog and place my hand on the
>> shopping cart instead of trying to do it the other way.  The school's
>> rational makes sense to me. They contend telling your dog to follow and
>> then reprimanding him for following another person at another time is
>> confusing to the dog. What do you guys think?
>>
>> Lisa and Bernie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>
>>
>>> Carin,
>>> I've known several people who got dogs at Pilot.  They went during the
>>> 80s and 90s and they had traffic training and their dogs worked fine as
>>> far as I could see.  What I did hear is that they don't teach the
>>> "Follow" command. I have since heard that other schools aren't teaching
>>> the "Follow" command either.
>>>
>>> To me, the "Follow" command is a very good one that I use all the time
>>> when I'm in a store or just out and about with other guide dog users and
>>> I don't know the route - usually inside a mall or store.  Out on the
>>> street, I use the regular guide commands.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Karen Alexander" <kalex710 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:42 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>
>>>
>>>>I spoke with Alec a member of Nagdu and a guide dog handler. I found out
>>>> that Pilot Dogs train their dogs for only three months. It seems that
>>>> they
>>>> are not thoroughly trained with traffic, etc. I am just in the 
>>>> beginning
>>>> state of choosing an organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I could used input from anyone on this list regarding Pilot Dogs both
>>>> positive and negative.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a grave concern to me to be given a dog who could put both of us
>>>> in
>>>> harms way. How can a service dog organization not be called out for
>>>> unsafe
>>>> dogs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The newbie,
>>>>
>>>> Carin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Karen Alexander
>>>>
>>>> home:    330 864 8351
>>>>
>>>> mobile:  330 715 4690
>>>>
>>>> 710 White Pond Dr #705
>>>>
>>>> Akron, Ohio 44320
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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