[nagdu] Going out during training

[Cindy Ray]

Peter, that implies that Rox wouldn't ever go out with the new dog, or that it would always be a limiting experience to have one. I don't believe this is even an argument worth having so I'm not sure why I respond. I don't get the point of your question. You get a dog because you want to achieve independence. Then gradually you use it more and more as you and it bond and become a team. A baby doesn't just up and take off hiking and climbing mountains. You don't teach people to cook by choosing the most difficult dishes in the cookbook. You work at these things by degree. You don't start learning math by studying mathematical theories. So what is the point of your question? I just don't get it.
Cindy

On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:

> Hello Roxi and everyone,
> 
>    Then why bother getting the dog in the first place?
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
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> 
> I don't even see this as a guide dog program issue.  I'm an owner
> trainer, a very competent traveler, and dog handler.  If I got a dog
> from say, a breeder, and if it had foundation training, I'm still not
> going to take that dog out to a bunch of new places right away.  Even
> if it was proven that said dog could handle it and even if that dog
> had a track record of being in public and dealing with it appropriately.
> The dog is new to me and I'm new to it.  We need time to bond, to get
> to know one another, to learn one another's movements and moods and
> reactions to things.
> If I want to go out and I have a new dog, I leave the dog home in a
> crate.  I understand why the programs don't want handlers to leave
> with the dog until later in class.
> I of course think that the handler should be able to leave whenever
> there aren't training activities and as long as the dog's needs have
> been taken care of before leaving.
> 
> You also have the issue of liability.  Until you graduate the program
> with that dog, it is still owned by the program and if something
> happens in public and you or someone else is hurt because the handler
> or the dog was not working appropriately, who's responsible for that?
> The program is, so it only makes sense for the program staff to watch
> you, at least for the first two weeks, or until they observe you and
> the dog communicating smoothly.
> 
> Rox and the Botanical Barkers:
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
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