[nagdu] Traveling to other countries, etc with your dog

[holly mcknight]

Hello all, I think it's neat that people are talking about traveling enternationally with their dogs today.  I am a graduate of GDB, as are a lot of you on this list.  Unfortunately, this info only pertains to GDB grads, but there is a conference call tonisht about this very things.  Graduates should have been notified of this.  I have also traveled extensively with a dog.  I have been to several states and starting in 2007, I traveled to the island nation of Cyprus, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria, all on one trip.  In 2010, I cruised on Carnival from Texas, to the Bahamas.  The cruise line was great with my dog and most of the people in the other countries, we have vistited have also been great.  I am glad there is a way to spread information around about different requirements for traveling in different countries.  I have always loved traveling and strongly encourage anyone to do it.  
 
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> 1. Re: Guide dogs and Rolling book bags (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 2. Re: Guide dogs and Rolling book bags (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
> 3. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Sheila Leigland)
> 4. Re: Guide dogs and Rolling book bags (d m gina)
> 5. Re: Guide dogs and Rolling book bags (Sheila Leigland)
> 6. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (d m gina)
> 7. Re: Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk (Sheila Leigland)
> 8. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Sheila Leigland)
> 9. Re: Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk (Sheila Leigland)
> 10. calls received for problems with cabs
> (Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire)
> 11. Re: calls received for problems with cabs (Marion Gwizdala)
> 12. Re: calls received for problems with cabs (cheryl echevarria)
> 13. Re: calls received for problems with cabs (Steven Johnson)
> 14. Re: Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk (cheryl echevarria)
> 15. Accessible Europe (cheryl echevarria)
> 16. would the webmaster Information about Bermuda (cheryl echevarria)
> 17. Re: Accessible Europe (Ginger Kutsch)
> 18. Re: Accessible Europe (Julie J.)
> 19. Re: Accessible Europe (cheryl echevarria)
> 20. Re: Accessible Europe (cheryl echevarria)
> 21. Re: Accessible Europe (cheryl echevarria)
> 22. Re: Accessible Europe (Julie J.)
> 23. Re: Accessible Europe (The Pawpower Pack)
> 24. Re: Accessible Europe (cheryl echevarria)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:01:26 -0700
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> Message-ID: <D9F77EE54013414FB7394E4C0DE1427A at stanford.edu>
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> Thumping a rolling backpack up or down stairs is not a good idea if it 
> contains technology, particularly a laptop or electronic notetaker.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> 
> 
> > Yes this is what I do.
> > When I come to a door I put the bag in front of me, and the dogs leash 
> > over my arm.
> > I make sure the door is against my but.
> > Then I have the hand to get the bag in and the dog threw the door.
> > Also going up and down stairs with a bag on wheels, I let it thump each 
> > stair.
> > If you need the rail as at times I do, I drop the dogs harness having the 
> > bag in front of me, so the dog has to heel.
> > Telling the dog, the bag has to come down stairs with me as well.
> > If you can come up with an elevator use it.
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Hi guys.
> >
> >> I really need your help with this one. I just recently bought a
> >> rolling bag. My professors and friends had been encouraging me to get
> >> one for a couple years now because of back pain. My bakcpack was just
> >> far too heavy. The problem is that now I have no free hands when I
> >> walk. With the bag's handle in my right hand, and the dog harness in
> >> my left hand, I am left with no extra hands for opening doors. I'm
> >> also having issues getting up and down the stairs. It is rather
> >> awkward, with the bag balanced on one shoulder and me gripping the
> >> dog's harness. I'm afraid that if I become anymore unbalanced, I will
> >> fall. If this happens, Brie may fear the bag and create more
> >> problems. I can tell already that she is uncomfortable with it. Any
> >> suggestions?
> >
> >> --
> >> Julie McG
> >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> >> Eyes for the Blind
> >
> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> >> life."
> >> John 3:16
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:23:04 -0700
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> Message-ID: <79DA0CA498FD4F188E6E1D991B7D6DC5 at tamidesktop>
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> Heavens! You are more coordinated than I! When I've tried the rolling bag
> thing, I do seem to get where I'm going, but I'm always pretty sure I've
> made a total hash of every step. /lol/
> 
> Tami Smith-Kinney
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:48 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> 
> Yes this is what I do.
> When I come to a door I put the bag in front of me, and the dogs leash 
> over my arm.
> I make sure the door is against my but.
> Then I have the hand to get the bag in and the dog threw the door.
> Also going up and down stairs with a bag on wheels, I let it thump each
> stair.
> If you need the rail as at times I do, I drop the dogs harness having 
> the bag in front of me, so the dog has to heel.
> Telling the dog, the bag has to come down stairs with me as well.
> If you can come up with an elevator use it.
> 
> Original message:
> > Hi guys.
> 
> > I really need your help with this one. I just recently bought a
> > rolling bag. My professors and friends had been encouraging me to get
> > one for a couple years now because of back pain. My bakcpack was just
> > far too heavy. The problem is that now I have no free hands when I
> > walk. With the bag's handle in my right hand, and the dog harness in
> > my left hand, I am left with no extra hands for opening doors. I'm
> > also having issues getting up and down the stairs. It is rather
> > awkward, with the bag balanced on one shoulder and me gripping the
> > dog's harness. I'm afraid that if I become anymore unbalanced, I will
> > fall. If this happens, Brie may fear the bag and create more
> > problems. I can tell already that she is uncomfortable with it. Any
> > suggestions?
> 
> > --
> > Julie McG
> > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> > Eyes for the Blind
> 
> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> > life."
> > John 3:16
> 
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> -- 
> --Dar
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:06:30 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <auto-000790593122 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
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> Hi, I wish I could say she was just a friend because you can kinda say oh well I won't see or do that with her but she is my sister. And a younger one at that. I have an aunt that use to want me to have lunch with her and leave my dog in the car but I would tell her no and to give notice so I could choose to leave my dog at home. It makes it hard when you don't see family that often and you just don't want to fight. Oh well I suppose that's sometimes just the way things are.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:14:49 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> Message-ID:
> <20110609051449.3202.8056 at domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> 
> Yes I have had a computer in my bag as I have the bag going down each stair.
> You know how to lower it gently.
> If not say that is your problem.
> Smile.
> I have done this bag thing for ever.
> Even to learning how to lower a cart grocery cart that has eggs in it.
> Yes I love my eggs and I will do all I can to make sure not one brakes 
> except for breakfast smile.
> 
> Original message:
> > Heavens! You are more coordinated than I! When I've tried the rolling bag
> > thing, I do seem to get where I'm going, but I'm always pretty sure I've
> > made a total hash of every step. /lol/
> 
> > Tami Smith-Kinney
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of d m gina
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:48 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> 
> > Yes this is what I do.
> > When I come to a door I put the bag in front of me, and the dogs leash
> > over my arm.
> > I make sure the door is against my but.
> > Then I have the hand to get the bag in and the dog threw the door.
> > Also going up and down stairs with a bag on wheels, I let it thump each
> > stair.
> > If you need the rail as at times I do, I drop the dogs harness having
> > the bag in front of me, so the dog has to heel.
> > Telling the dog, the bag has to come down stairs with me as well.
> > If you can come up with an elevator use it.
> 
> > Original message:
> >> Hi guys.
> 
> >> I really need your help with this one. I just recently bought a
> >> rolling bag. My professors and friends had been encouraging me to get
> >> one for a couple years now because of back pain. My bakcpack was just
> >> far too heavy. The problem is that now I have no free hands when I
> >> walk. With the bag's handle in my right hand, and the dog harness in
> >> my left hand, I am left with no extra hands for opening doors. I'm
> >> also having issues getting up and down the stairs. It is rather
> >> awkward, with the bag balanced on one shoulder and me gripping the
> >> dog's harness. I'm afraid that if I become anymore unbalanced, I will
> >> fall. If this happens, Brie may fear the bag and create more
> >> problems. I can tell already that she is uncomfortable with it. Any
> >> suggestions?
> 
> >> --
> >> Julie McG
> >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> >> Eyes for the Blind
> 
> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> >> life."
> >> John 3:16
> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nagdu mailing list
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> 
> > --
> > --Dar
> > skype: dmgina23
> > FB: dmgina
> > www.twitter.com/dmgina
> > every saint has a past
> > every sinner has a future
> 
> -- 
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
> 
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:28:34 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and Rolling book bags
> Message-ID: <auto-000790595503 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I know the feeling i hate trying to figure out where I put my stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 01:37:29 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID:
> <20110609053729.3201.3775 at domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> 
> I understand what you are saying, trust me, you would feel bad and I am 
> sure the school would not take you back, if your dog dies in a car 
> while you have lunch.
> Not good.
> 
> Original message:
> > Hi, I wish I could say she was just a friend because you can kinda say 
> > oh well I won't see or do that with her but she is my sister. And a 
> > younger one at that. I have an aunt that use to want me to have lunch 
> > with her and leave my dog in the car but I would tell her no and to 
> > give notice so I could choose to leave my dog at home. It makes it hard 
> > when you don't see family that often and you just don't want to fight. 
> > Oh well I suppose that's sometimes just the way things are.
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > nagdu mailing list
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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> 
> -- 
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
> 
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:39:00 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk
> Message-ID: <auto-000285320228 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Still working on the work situation hopefully it is getting better, but kinda keep waiting for the other shoe to drop because it might.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:39:01 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <auto-000285320229 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Well said, I so agree and understand your points very well because of being in situation where cabbie tried to deny access to us and our dogs and walking several miles at night wasn't a safe option.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:49:27 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk
> Message-ID: <auto-000790598206 at fe-4.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I've been blind all my life and so has my husband and have heard much of the same thing all my life. The church thing is the must exasperating because there is so much assumption about what God must want for all of his people even to the point of allowing bizzarre things to be allowed in the name of helping a blind person to see.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 03:43:48 -0600
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> Message-ID: <F398DA972D1C48508400F811DE15DD48 at BiancaSuperComputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> 
> Hi, Marion and all,
> I was curious of how many calls would you get per a day in gards to a taxi 
> cab problem involving a guide dog team?
> Other service dog handlers encounter the same things as well and can 
> understand that frustration.
> *Just curious.
> Bibi 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:01:56 -0400
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> Message-ID: <30574239E0BC4FA68CA2224DA3F99929 at marion27df4b2a>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=response
> 
> Bibi,
> I probably get, on average, four calls each month concerning individuals 
> who are facing discrimination due to the use of a guide or other service 
> dog. Last year, I think I had 3 - 5 calls from individuals concerning access 
> to taxicabs. In addition, I also got about the same number of calls from 
> operators of taxicabs asking questions about their rights and 
> responsibilities as it pertains to access by service dog users.
> I suspect that, once the NAGDU Information & Advocacy Hotline is in full 
> swing and more widely marketed, these numbers will increase. HTH!
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:43 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> 
> 
> > Hi, Marion and all,
> > I was curious of how many calls would you get per a day in gards to a taxi 
> > cab problem involving a guide dog team?
> > Other service dog handlers encounter the same things as well and can 
> > understand that frustration.
> > *Just curious.
> > Bibi
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:13:30 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds173BFD6C3369CD2BCAE829A1650 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> maybe and this is a suggestion, maybe our members can carry business cards, with there names and nagdu on the front, what state they are in, etc. and on the back the hotline number.
> 
> I will be at the NAGDU meeting, and hope to make some suggestions there, as we know at convention there is more then one meeting going on, and I have 3 going on at the same time.
> 
> I was asked to do a presentation at the Travel and Tourism meeting, I am member of Diabetic Action Network, NAGDU, these 3 meetings are going on at the same time.
> 
> So, if you would be interested in this and need help with it, please let me know. 
> 
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> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Marion Gwizdala<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net> 
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> 
> 
> Bibi,
> I probably get, on average, four calls each month concerning individuals 
> who are facing discrimination due to the use of a guide or other service 
> dog. Last year, I think I had 3 - 5 calls from individuals concerning access 
> to taxicabs. In addition, I also got about the same number of calls from 
> operators of taxicabs asking questions about their rights and 
> responsibilities as it pertains to access by service dog users.
> I suspect that, once the NAGDU Information & Advocacy Hotline is in full 
> swing and more widely marketed, these numbers will increase. HTH!
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net<mailto:orleans24 at comcast.net>>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:43 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> 
> 
> > Hi, Marion and all,
> > I was curious of how many calls would you get per a day in gards to a taxi 
> > cab problem involving a guide dog team?
> > Other service dog handlers encounter the same things as well and can 
> > understand that frustration.
> > *Just curious.
> > Bibi
> >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:26:12 -0500
> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> Message-ID: <000301cc2698$09ac8f10$1d05ad30$@net>
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> 
> Cheryl, good idea. Everyone please keep me informed as to how the National
> NAGDU meeting goes as I will be ready to move anything forward here in
> Wisconsin. We have some ideas already moving forward in the wings, and
> President Marion and I have discussed some possible significant action as
> well. Meghan will be representing Wisconsin at Nationals, and is our link
> back to the Board...we are very fortunate to have great leadership in this
> organization! 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Johnson, WAGDU President
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> 
> maybe and this is a suggestion, maybe our members can carry business cards,
> with there names and nagdu on the front, what state they are in, etc. and on
> the back the hotline number.
> 
> I will be at the NAGDU meeting, and hope to make some suggestions there, as
> we know at convention there is more then one meeting going on, and I have 3
> going on at the same time.
> 
> I was asked to do a presentation at the Travel and Tourism meeting, I am
> member of Diabetic Action Network, NAGDU, these 3 meetings are going on at
> the same time.
> 
> So, if you would be interested in this and need help with it, please let me
> know. 
> 
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> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Marion Gwizdala<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net> 
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> 
> 
> Bibi,
> I probably get, on average, four calls each month concerning
> individuals 
> who are facing discrimination due to the use of a guide or other service 
> dog. Last year, I think I had 3 - 5 calls from individuals concerning
> access 
> to taxicabs. In addition, I also got about the same number of calls from 
> operators of taxicabs asking questions about their rights and 
> responsibilities as it pertains to access by service dog users.
> I suspect that, once the NAGDU Information & Advocacy Hotline is in
> full 
> swing and more widely marketed, these numbers will increase. HTH!
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire"
> <orleans24 at comcast.net<mailto:orleans24 at comcast.net>>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:43 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] calls received for problems with cabs
> 
> 
> > Hi, Marion and all,
> > I was curious of how many calls would you get per a day in gards to a
> taxi 
> > cab problem involving a guide dog team?
> > Other service dog handlers encounter the same things as well and can 
> > understand that frustration.
> > *Just curious.
> > Bibi
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:40:55 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds906CDFFFC8A2C28511FA6A1650 at phx.gbl>
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> 
> It is up to that church, if you ministry and your church allows it then there is no problem, Nelson and I belong to our local church, I am also Jewish, and when we go to religious events I ask if I can bring him.
> 
> It is a matter of asking, and the community allowing it.
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Sheila Leigland<mailto:sleigland at bresnan.net> 
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Re Guide Dog Forced to Ride in Trunk
> 
> 
> I've been blind all my life and so has my husband and have heard much of the same thing all my life. The church thing is the must exasperating because there is so much assumption about what God must want for all of his people even to the point of allowing bizzarre things to be allowed in the name of helping a blind person to see.
> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:49:54 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds39EA47074422640D770A5A1650 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that we are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, just to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do not need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine such as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning myself what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids of Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but the Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we can arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed to bring the dog. 
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and Hawaii. Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July. 
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to the dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks; alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to alert another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or alert a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a citizen of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and the expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a level of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14 days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having to do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and a final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not in the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and we should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various cruises groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first it is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
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> 631-456-5394
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> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:05:54 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] would the webmaster Information about Bermuda
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds1213922AB77ED931D58CCFA1650 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> good morning all:
> 
> Would the webmaster, the person who puts stuff up on the website please contact me, I do have contact information about guide dogs in Bermuda.
> 
> This has come about since I am doing a cruise for a couple, who are both blind and going on a 7 day cruise to Bermuda from NY City.
> 
> They will have 2 days in Bermuda.
> 
> First Bermuda, you must get a form from Bermuda and it must be filled out by a USDA Certified Veterinarian. This is essential when traveling out of the country period. The form needs to be done 10 days prior to arrival in that country, not 3 months before, not when you book your trip, 10 days prior by the Vet.
> 
> Now I believe that the Vets at the Guide Dog School are, I am not going to swear to it, but ask your vet if he/she is or not. It just means they have a special certification that allows them to use a certain stamp for there paperwork, like a notary has to have one.
> 
> If it is not done by that kind of vet and you submit the paperwork, it will not be accepted by that country you are visiting.
> 
> Bermuda is one of those countries.
> 
> Bermuda at this time does not have and laws pertaining to guide dogs.
> 
> But on the other hand the people that I know who have been there say they have not had any problems. The hotels if they are a national chain like Sheraton, will allow guide dogs under ADA, but why keep you dog on property when you want to go out.
> 
> It is up to the business person whether or not they will allow you to bring your dog with them into that establishment.
> 
> But I believe that NAGDU, and this is a recommendation when dealing with accessible issues traveling to other countries is to get acquainted with SATH (Society for Accessible Transportation and Hospitality), it is good to learn from others as well and we might be able to offer our hotlines as well to the organization. I am a member and it has helped in the past getting travel information for my business, but it might be a good match as well to associate with other organizations like this.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:31:59 -0400
> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> Message-ID: <001b01cc26b1$fe227640$fa6762c0$@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Dear Cheryl:
> 
> The guidelines posted below for Hawaii are *very outdated. The current
> guidelines can be found at:
> 
> http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/guide-service-dogs-entering-hawai-i 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ginger
> 
> Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:50 AM
> To: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible
> travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that we
> are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some
> might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and
> traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, just
> to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do not
> need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on
> it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine such
> as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning myself
> what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and
> landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids of
> Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but the
> Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we can
> arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to
> do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a
> cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones
> don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and
> to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed
> to bring the dog. 
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and Hawaii.
> Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of
> Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the
> National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July. 
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND
> CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME
> INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED
> BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide
> dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to the
> dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog
> that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with
> impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with
> disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped
> items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks;
> alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to alert
> another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or alert
> a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in
> mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a citizen
> of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major
> life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the
> vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and the
> expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid
> scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a level
> of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests
> must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests
> unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14
> days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies
> as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having to
> do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours
> in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be
> staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to
> 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the
> Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance
> with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and a
> final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I
> have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also
> dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in
> stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim
> countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not in
> the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and we
> should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all
> races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country
> that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours
> whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St.
> Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are
> planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various cruises
> groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first it
> is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who
> may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an
> e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
> 
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> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:46:23 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> Message-ID: <B0FA91197F37497AABE1AF43942DD50B at JuliePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> 
> I've always wondered why it is that Hawaii can get away with having laws 
> that are clearly in violation of the ADA? What would happen if I decide to 
> travel to Hawaii with my guide dog? I owner trained him, so there is no 
> professional trainer or recognized program associated with his training. 
> United States Federal law is clear that it is acceptable for me to train my 
> own guide. It is his training and behavior that defines him as a guide. 
> Also I am unhappy about the bit about other types of service dog handlers 
> needing a doctor's note. Again that is clearly a contradiction of the ADA.
> 
> I understand the issue of wanting to keep Hawaii rabies free and the steps 
> that must be taken when entering the islands with an animal. I cannot 
> understand how Hawaii can place all the additional documentation demands 
> that have nothing to do with vaccination history on service/guide dog users. 
> I suppose it will take someone with a lot of money and intestinal fortitude 
> to challenge it.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:49 AM
> To: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible 
> travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that we 
> are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some 
> might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and 
> traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, just 
> to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do not 
> need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on 
> it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine such 
> as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning myself 
> what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and 
> landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids of 
> Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but the 
> Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we can 
> arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to 
> do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a 
> cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones 
> don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and 
> to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed 
> to bring the dog.
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and Hawaii. 
> Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of 
> Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the 
> National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July.
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND 
> CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME 
> INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED 
> BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide 
> dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to the 
> dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog 
> that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with 
> impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with 
> disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped 
> items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks; 
> alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to alert 
> another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or alert 
> a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in 
> mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a citizen 
> of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major 
> life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the 
> vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and the 
> expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid 
> scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a level 
> of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests 
> must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests 
> unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14 
> days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies 
> as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having to 
> do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours 
> in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be 
> staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to 
> 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the 
> Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance 
> with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and a 
> final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I 
> have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also 
> dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in 
> stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim 
> countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not in 
> the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and we 
> should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all 
> races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country 
> that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours 
> whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St. 
> Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are 
> planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various cruises 
> groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first it 
> is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who 
> may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an 
> e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
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> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:51:40 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds209EE742F603CAE0DE4BEBA1650 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Thank you Ginger, again, I got that information from the NAGDU website I was also planning on asking at convention from the Hawaii Delegation what is the latest on that, but thank you again.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
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> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ginger Kutsch<mailto:GingerKutsch at yahoo.com> 
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> 
> Dear Cheryl:
> 
> The guidelines posted below for Hawaii are *very outdated. The current
> guidelines can be found at:
> 
> http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/guide-service-dogs-entering-hawai-i<http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/guide-service-dogs-entering-hawai-i> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ginger
> 
> Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:50 AM
> To: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible
> travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that we
> are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some
> might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and
> traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, just
> to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do not
> need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on
> it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine such
> as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning myself
> what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and
> landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids of
> Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but the
> Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we can
> arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to
> do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a
> cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones
> don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and
> to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed
> to bring the dog. 
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and Hawaii.
> Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of
> Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the
> National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July. 
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND
> CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME
> INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED
> BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide
> dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to the
> dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog
> that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with
> impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with
> disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped
> items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks;
> alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to alert
> another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or alert
> a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in
> mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a citizen
> of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major
> life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the
> vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and the
> expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid
> scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a level
> of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests
> must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests
> unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14
> days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies
> as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having to
> do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours
> in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be
> staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to
> 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the
> Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance
> with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and a
> final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I
> have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also
> dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in
> stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim
> countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not in
> the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and we
> should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all
> races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country
> that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours
> whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St.
> Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are
> planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various cruises
> groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first it
> is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who
> may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an
> e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:53:00 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds20585787A46AB224EDC5D8A1650 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Ginger that is the exact information that I had posted.
> 
> But thank you again.
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ginger Kutsch<mailto:GingerKutsch at yahoo.com> 
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> 
> Dear Cheryl:
> 
> The guidelines posted below for Hawaii are *very outdated. The current
> guidelines can be found at:
> 
> http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/guide-service-dogs-entering-hawai-i<http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/guide-service-dogs-entering-hawai-i> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ginger
> 
> Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:50 AM
> To: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible
> travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that we
> are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some
> might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and
> traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, just
> to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do not
> need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on
> it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine such
> as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning myself
> what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and
> landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids of
> Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but the
> Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we can
> arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to
> do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a
> cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones
> don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and
> to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed
> to bring the dog. 
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and Hawaii.
> Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of
> Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the
> National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July. 
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND
> CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME
> INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED
> BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide
> dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to the
> dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog
> that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with
> impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with
> disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped
> items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks;
> alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to alert
> another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or alert
> a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in
> mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a citizen
> of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major
> life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the
> vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and the
> expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid
> scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a level
> of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests
> must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests
> unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14
> days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies
> as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having to
> do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours
> in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be
> staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to
> 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the
> Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance
> with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and a
> final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I
> have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also
> dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in
> stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim
> countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not in
> the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and we
> should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all
> races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country
> that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours
> whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St.
> Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are
> planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various cruises
> groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first it
> is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who
> may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an
> e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:54:37 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
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> Julie:
> 
> Hawaii and Australia are Rabies free islands, they couldn't handle and epidemic.
> 
> 
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> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com> 
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> 
> I've always wondered why it is that Hawaii can get away with having laws 
> that are clearly in violation of the ADA? What would happen if I decide to 
> travel to Hawaii with my guide dog? I owner trained him, so there is no 
> professional trainer or recognized program associated with his training. 
> United States Federal law is clear that it is acceptable for me to train my 
> own guide. It is his training and behavior that defines him as a guide. 
> Also I am unhappy about the bit about other types of service dog handlers 
> needing a doctor's note. Again that is clearly a contradiction of the ADA.
> 
> I understand the issue of wanting to keep Hawaii rabies free and the steps 
> that must be taken when entering the islands with an animal. I cannot 
> understand how Hawaii can place all the additional documentation demands 
> that have nothing to do with vaccination history on service/guide dog users. 
> I suppose it will take someone with a lot of money and intestinal fortitude 
> to challenge it.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:49 AM
> To: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible 
> travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that we 
> are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some 
> might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and 
> traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, just 
> to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do not 
> need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on 
> it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine such 
> as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning myself 
> what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and 
> landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids of 
> Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but the 
> Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we can 
> arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to 
> do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a 
> cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones 
> don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and 
> to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed 
> to bring the dog.
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and Hawaii. 
> Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of 
> Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the 
> National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July.
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND 
> CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME 
> INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED 
> BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide 
> dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to the 
> dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog 
> that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with 
> impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with 
> disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped 
> items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks; 
> alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to alert 
> another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or alert 
> a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in 
> mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a citizen 
> of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major 
> life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the 
> vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and the 
> expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid 
> scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a level 
> of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests 
> must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests 
> unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14 
> days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies 
> as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having to 
> do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours 
> in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be 
> staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to 
> 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the 
> Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance 
> with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and a 
> final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I 
> have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also 
> dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in 
> stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim 
> countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not in 
> the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and we 
> should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all 
> races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country 
> that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours 
> whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St. 
> Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are 
> planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various cruises 
> groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first it 
> is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who 
> may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an 
> e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> 631-456-5394
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:05:49 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
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> 
> Cheryl,
> 
> I'm not talking about the rabies and health documentation. I understand 
> that part of it. What I don't understand is the restrictions of who trained 
> the dog, what sort of program it came from or a doctor's note stating that 
> the dog is necessary to the handler.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:54 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Julie:
> 
> Hawaii and Australia are Rabies free islands, they couldn't handle and 
> epidemic.
> 
> 
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10
> 
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Julie J.<mailto:julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> 
> I've always wondered why it is that Hawaii can get away with having laws
> that are clearly in violation of the ADA? What would happen if I decide 
> to
> travel to Hawaii with my guide dog? I owner trained him, so there is no
> professional trainer or recognized program associated with his training.
> United States Federal law is clear that it is acceptable for me to train 
> my
> own guide. It is his training and behavior that defines him as a guide.
> Also I am unhappy about the bit about other types of service dog handlers
> needing a doctor's note. Again that is clearly a contradiction of the 
> ADA.
> 
> I understand the issue of wanting to keep Hawaii rabies free and the steps
> that must be taken when entering the islands with an animal. I cannot
> understand how Hawaii can place all the additional documentation demands
> that have nothing to do with vaccination history on service/guide dog 
> users.
> I suppose it will take someone with a lot of money and intestinal 
> fortitude
> to challenge it.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:49 AM
> To: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> Many people have been asking me about traveling to Europe for accessible
> travel.
> 
> Well as many of us know the only thing wrong with us blind people is that 
> we
> are blind, most of our other parts work like our ears and our legs. Some
> might need wheelchair accessibility.
> 
> This article is primarily for those. Also if you are on dialysis and
> traveling, you have to plan way earlier then those who do not need it, 
> just
> to find dialysis locations.
> 
> As well as if you are traveling with your guide dog. Some Countries do 
> not
> need much, just a certified USDA Veterinarian letter that has his stamp on
> it with all the recent vaccinations on them, some still have quarantine 
> such
> as Australia. Also, I just recently found out Barbados in the Caribbean.
> 
> For me to help those that are traveling anywhere, I am still learning 
> myself
> what the accessibility in that country is for you.
> 
> Let us remember especially traveling abroad to countries and cities and
> landmarks that were created during the biblical times, like the Pyramids 
> of
> Giza, you will not find elevators or other assistance to enter them, but 
> the
> Egyptian Museum you can.
> 
> I will be giving some advice below so whenever you call in the future we 
> can
> arrange alternatives for you to do in that country, but mostly this has to
> do with wheelchair accessibility and guide dog users, for those who use a
> cane and are well enough to travel, there will be some information as 
> well.
> 
> Let us start off with the guide dogs.
> 
> Many people have asked me, which country allows guide dogs and which ones
> don't, big question. I generally answer, are you planning on traveling and
> to where and we can discuss that place you are going to and what is needed
> to bring the dog.
> 
> For places within the United States realm including Puerto Rico and 
> Hawaii.
> Follow the accessible laws
> 
> Pertaining to Hawaii, and I am going by the NAGDU (National Association of
> Guide Dog Users website) and if this has changed I will be asking at the
> National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind in July.
> 
> HAWAII
> 
> THE HONOLULU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IS THE PORT OF ENTRY FOR ALL DOGS AND
> CATS ENTERING HAWAII. THIS INCLUDES GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS.
> 
> GUIDE DOGS AND SERVICE DOGS THAT MEET THE FOLLOWING DEFINITIONS CAN COME
> INTO HAWAII WITHOUT QUARANTINE PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS OUTLINED
> BELOW. "Guide dog" means any dog individually trained by a licensed guide
> dog trainer for guiding a blind person by means of a harness attached to 
> the
> dog and a rigid handle grasped by the person. "Service dog" means any dog
> that is individually and professionally trained to: alert a person with
> impaired hearing to the presence of people or sounds; assist a person with
> disabilities involving mobility by pulling a wheelchair, retrieving 
> dropped
> items, or otherwise aiding the user in accomplishing a variety of tasks;
> alert a person with a seizure disorder to the onset of a seizure or to 
> alert
> another person or organization at a remote location to the seizure; or 
> alert
> a person to an impending life-threatening medical crisis and assist in
> mitigating the consequences of such a crisis; and that belongs to a 
> citizen
> of the United States with a disability that substantially limits a major
> life activity.
> 
> KEY POINTS FOR QUALIFYING AS A SERVICE DOG OR AN EXEMPTED GUIDE DOG
> - The dog must have current rabies vaccination. (Documentation of the
> vaccination must include the product name, the lot or serial number, and 
> the
> expiration date of the lot.)
> - The dog must have a microchip implanted that can be read with an Avid
> scanner (Avid or Home Again chip).
> - Prior to arrival the dog must have passed two OIE-FAVN tests with a 
> level
> of 0.51.U. rabies antibody or greater. The time interval between the tests
> must have been at least 30 days. The laboratory will not perform the tests
> unless the microchip number accompanies the test request form.
> - The dog must have a standard health certificate issued not more than 14
> days prior to arrival in Hawaii.
> - For a service dog, there must be a physician's statement which certifies
> as to the disability, and that the service dog provides assistance having 
> to
> do with that disability.
> - The Animal Quarantine Branch must receive notification at least 24 hours
> in advance of arrival information and location where the dog will be
> staying. Information can be faxed to 808-483-7161 or telephoned to
> 808-837-8092.
> - On arrival in Hawaii, the dog must be brought by the airline to the
> Airport Animal Quarantine Holding Facility for verification of compliance
> with the above requirements, the dog examined for external parasites, and 
> a
> final OIE-FAVN sample taken.
> - If all is in order, the dog will be released at that point.
> 
> Puerto Rico to my knowledge follows all ADA of allowance of guide dogs, I
> have taken my dog to Puerto Rico with no problems whatsoever, since also
> dear husband is also from Puerto Rico.
> 
> But we are talking Europe
> 
> All depends on the country, most allow dogs period anywhere with them in
> stores, restaurants, etc. If we are talking middle east and I mean Muslim
> countries, I wouldn't take them.
> 
> My ex-husband is from Egypt and they are very modern, have dogs, but not 
> in
> the house, kept outside, but love dogs.
> 
> But in general not allowed access to anything. That is there religion and 
> we
> should respect that, that being said our country in the US, is full of all
> races and religions, and the law should be observed here and any country
> that you visit.
> 
> Accessibility is all that you make of it, myself I go on the regular tours
> whether or not I take my dog. I have been to Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, St.
> Thomas, St. Maarten, Canada. I will be going this year to Cancun, we are
> planning group trips to Egypt in 2013, 2012 we are planning various 
> cruises
> groups. So I hope you will take advantage of traveling with others first 
> it
> is enjoyable meeting others, and second there will be others like you who
> may have never been on a trip like this.
> 
> If you want to go on your own that is wonderful as well.
> 
> More will be coming in the future. Send questions and I can post to an
> e-mail with a reply to it.
> 
> Take care, and keep cool
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
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> CST-1018299-10
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:15:25 -0500
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
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> 
> My question is about dogs, like mine, who are both guide and service 
> dogs.
> My dog does guide work, mobility (counterbalance/brace) work and sound 
> alert work. I could easily get my audiologist/ear, nose and throat 
> doctors to sign papers stating that she is my service dog, with an 
> audiogram to back it up. Would my dog need both types of paperwork? 
> She is owner trained so is not licensed by a "certified guide dog 
> trainer." So could I get her in as a service dog, not a guide dog?
> 
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and 
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: lillebriss
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:31:05 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds159FDEF3935DB2D7293EBBA1650 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> In reference to Europe, it is the type of Document that you are entering the country of, the USDA Vet must sign and use stamp. Doesn't have to be a certified guide dog, since there is no such thing anyway.
> 
> For any animal leaving the US, this must happen. Like I said all depends upon the country visiting.
> 
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> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: The Pawpower Pack<mailto:pawpower4me at gmail.com> 
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Accessible Europe
> 
> 
> My question is about dogs, like mine, who are both guide and service 
> dogs.
> My dog does guide work, mobility (counterbalance/brace) work and sound 
> alert work. I could easily get my audiologist/ear, nose and throat 
> doctors to sign papers stating that she is my service dog, with an 
> audiogram to back it up. Would my dog need both types of paperwork? 
> She is owner trained so is not licensed by a "certified guide dog 
> trainer." So could I get her in as a service dog, not a guide dog?
> 
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau guide dog, CGC.
> Do not meddle in the affaires of dragons, for you are crunchy and 
> taste good with ketchup.
> http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com<http://pawpower4me.blogspot.com/>
> pawpower4me at gmail.com<mailto:pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> AIM: lillebriss
> 
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