[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 18
holly mcknight
hollyandpolly at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 14 19:00:50 UTC 2011
Hello all, I loved that story about the dog visiting dying people. I am, as you probably know, working with my third guide. When I got my second, my grandfather was in the process of dying of cancer. I came home from college during a week off in the spring and my dog went directly into my grandfather's room and put her head under his hand. He reacted more to her than to his wife, their children or grandchildren and greatgrandchildren. When I went back to Guide Dogs in the summer of 2006, my grandmother, on the same side was dying and had been put on hospace. I prayed that she would alive when I returned to meet her new four-footed great grandchiild, but it was not to be. Twelve hours after I met Pollyann, my grandmother went to be with Jesus. Pollyann was a great help during this time and I know she made what I went through doable. Our dogs, I believe are much smarter than any people. They just can't speak clearly.
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> tohospice patients. (Ally Matt)
> 2. Re: . Couple face their own challengesby giving comfort
> tohospice patients. (Chasity Jackson)
> 3. Re: . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> tohospice patients. (Sheila Leigland)
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> tohospice patients. (Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire)
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> 6. Re: . Couple face their own challengesby giving comfort
> tohospice patients. (d m gina)
> 7. Those wanting to know access for traveling with a guide dog
> to Jamaica (cheryl echevarria)
> 8. Re: . Couple face their own challengesby giving comfort
> tohospice patients. (Ally Matt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:24:01 -0400
> From: "Ally Matt" <ally.matt0 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving
> comfort tohospice patients.
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>
> I think it is great that these two have found a niche to volunteer in. I'm
> sure the dogs are a valued part of the process for the patients even though
> they can't interact with the dogs. I am about to finish my degree in
> counseling, and as I have done my practicum and intership experiences I have
> had wonderful responses from clients toward my dog. I've even had people
> request to meet with the counselor with the dog. I think for many people
> having an animal in the room is a calming experience, and sometimes it
> lightens the heavy mood when he snores or lets out huge sighs. The clients
> often say he knows just how they are feeling.
>
> Ally and Allstar
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:56 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
> How so? What was wrong with this article?
> I don't have the emotional strength to do what Art and Linda do.
> Hats off to them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:07 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
> What these people are doing is great, but how the media/newspaper continues
> to portray blind people is pathetic.
>
> JMO,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Melissa Green
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:42 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
> Grate work.
> Thank you for sharig this article.
>
> Blessings!
> Melissa Green
> Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are
> strong enough to let go.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:04 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > June 11, 2011 1:03 PM
> > Subject: Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice
> > patients.
> >
> >
> > The St. Petersburg Times, Florida -Sunday, June 12, 2011.
> > ------------
> > Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice patients.
> >
> > NEW PORT RICHEY, Florida:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/couple-face-their-own-challenges-
> by-giving-comfort-to-hospice-patients/1174810
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The St. Petersburg Times, Florida -Sunday, June 12, 2011.
> >
> >
> >
> > Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice patients.
> >
> >
> >
> > NEW PORT RICHEY, FLORDA:
> >
> >
> >
> > Their phone rang shortly before 9 pm Thursday.
> >
> >
> > A patient was dying, and Art Nolden and Linda Knight didn't hesitate. They
>
> > had received special training for such moments.
> >
> >
> > They called a taxi, loaded up their guide dogs and headed to HPH
> > Hospice's Marliere Care Center.
> >
> > As "11th-hour volunteers,'' they sat through the night with the patient.
> >
> > "We talked about the sun, the rain, the dogs,'' Nolden offered the next
> > day, chipper despite the duty that kept them at the center until 4:15 am.
> > "Sometimes
> >
> > the silence was very important.''
> >
> > Giving comfort at life's end gives special meaning to this New Port Richey
>
> > couple who have ignored their own physical challenges to become beloved
> > volunteers
> >
> > at the hospice where everyone knows them by their first names.
> >
> > Linda is hearing impaired and blind and relies on Shirley, a 5-year-old
> > golden Labrador mix. Art is able to perceive light but objects once clear
> > are now
> >
> > only blurs. JJ, a 4-year-old golden retriever, is his working companion.
> > The four of them show up at the Marliere Care Center four hours every
> > Wednesday,
> >
> > rarely missing a day. Linda has racked up 218 volunteer hours, Art 227.
> >
> > "It astonishes me and touches my heart. They have so many of their own
> > challenges to contend with but they're as reliable as the sunshine," says
> > Sheena
> >
> > Thompson, HPH Hospice volunteer coordinator, who first met them while
> > making a presentation to the local Lion's Club. Art and Linda are members.
> >
> > Following the presentation, they approached Thompson and asked what they
> > could do as volunteers. Thompson appreciated their sincerity and during
> > two days
> >
> > of training witnessed their strengths. Linda is keenly aware of patient
> > needs. She knows when to listen and when to talk and she knows when to
> > stay with a patient and when to leave.
> >
> > Art's humor adds a light touch and he makes sure patients are aware of
> > Linda's disability, gently encouraging them to speak a bit louder and
> > slower. JJ and Shirley lead them through hallways and into patients'
> > rooms. There the golden canines with mellow eyes sprawl, still and silent.
> >
> > "Patients are interested in the dogs. They ask us about them, and talking
> > to patients about our situations takes them, for a time, out of their
> > situation.
> >
> > It's rewarding and I find the patients inspiring," Linda said.
> >
> > Their own challenges make them especially sensitive to the needs of
> > others. Linda was blind from birth, almost three months premature. She had
>
> > hearing aids before she was 5. Years later, in 2002, she received her
> > first cochlear mplant, the second in 2004.
> >
> > "Being able to hear opens many doors,'' she said. "It's a never ending
> > journey. When you lose your hearing and your vision you become isolated to
>
> > yourself."
> >
> > Linda, 54, attended Alabama State School for the Blind. In 1967, her
> > parents realized Florida schools were including students with all
> > limitations in mainstream classes. The family moved to Pensacola and Linda
>
> > graduated from Escambia High school in 1976. She attended Florida State
> > University for one year, then transferred to Pensacola Junior College.
> >
> > She volunteered for a time as a telephone operator at the VA Outpatient
> > Clinic in Pensacola, compensating for her lost vision by memorizing phone
> > numbers.
> >
> > She married, raised a son and a daughter and has three grandchildren, a
> > fourth expected soon. She divorced and reclaimed her maiden name.
> >
> > Art, 67, lost vision from optic nerve atrophy, a condition that began when
>
> > he was a first-grader. Art married, had a son and daughter and served as
> > District Court Clerk on Long Island for many years, promotions coming
> > frequently. His vision worsened and forced him to retire.
> >
> > Divorced and tired of the New York cold, Art headed south in 1988, joining
>
> > his parents who lived in Port Richey. He learned about Lighthouse for the
> > Blind and Visually Impaired and served three years on its board of
> > directors from 1994-1996. His classification as "legally blind" qualified
> > him for a guide dog.
> >
> > In June 2000 he attended a guide dog class in Palmetto. He met Linda, who
> > was attending the class from Columbus, Ga.
> >
> > "With 16 people and 16 dogs, it was often hard for Linda to hear the
> > instructor," said Art, so he stepped to her side, repeating instructions.
> >
> > It was the start of a team effort that blossomed into a loving
> > relationship. They've been together for 11 years, sharing life, household
> > chores, and volunteering in the local community, particularly to HPH
> > Hospice and the Lion's Club. Art quickly gives Linda most of the credit.
> >
> > "She does all the cooking and she is great with intuition. She knows what
> > to say and when to say it," he said.
> >
> > Linda uses her Deaf/Blind Communicator, a small complex device with
> > Braille and standard keyboards. If a patient would like to hear a Bible
> > verse, for example, Linda can type the specifics on the Braille keyboard
> > and through oral communication she can hear the passage and say it aloud
> > to the patient.
> >
> > "We love listening to and talking with patients and I think we have
> > reached a milestone - to be in public, to give to the community and to
> > take part involunteer work here (HPH Hospice) or with the Lions," she
> > said.
> >
> > Art agreed and quickly added they are only two of scores who volunteer at
> > HPH Hospice in a variety of roles. Then they rose together, grasped
> > harnesses and headed down the hallway to visit patients.
> >
> > [Last modified: Jun 11, 2011 12:02 PM]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ===================.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:12:21 -0500
> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving
> comfort tohospice patients.
> Message-ID: <7D75AF1B7CF54F838FC4AD62D1A3D937 at CHRIS>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi Ally,
>
> I'm not sure what you meant by the patients not being able to interact with
> the dog. I'm not sure what the case is with Art and Linda, but when I
> volunteer, I remove Hadley's harness and allow my patients to pet her while
> she lies there. I think that is such a rewarding part of volunteering, that
> their interaction with her totally changes their day or possibly their whole
> attitude. I just wanted to say that is the case in my particular hospice
> volunteer experience. I love visiting patients and bringing out a different
> side of them with my dog present and interacting with them.
> Chasity
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ally Matt" <ally.matt0 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
>
> >I think it is great that these two have found a niche to volunteer in. I'm
> > sure the dogs are a valued part of the process for the patients even
> > though
> > they can't interact with the dogs. I am about to finish my degree in
> > counseling, and as I have done my practicum and intership experiences I
> > have
> > had wonderful responses from clients toward my dog. I've even had people
> > request to meet with the counselor with the dog. I think for many people
> > having an animal in the room is a calming experience, and sometimes it
> > lightens the heavy mood when he snores or lets out huge sighs. The clients
> > often say he knows just how they are feeling.
> >
> > Ally and Allstar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:56 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> > How so? What was wrong with this article?
> > I don't have the emotional strength to do what Art and Linda do.
> > Hats off to them.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Steven Johnson
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:07 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> > What these people are doing is great, but how the media/newspaper
> > continues
> > to portray blind people is pathetic.
> >
> > JMO,
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Melissa Green
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:42 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> > Grate work.
> > Thank you for sharig this article.
> >
> > Blessings!
> > Melissa Green
> > Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you
> > are
> > strong enough to let go.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:04 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> June 11, 2011 1:03 PM
> >> Subject: Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice
> >> patients.
> >>
> >>
> >> The St. Petersburg Times, Florida -Sunday, June 12, 2011.
> >> ------------
> >> Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice patients.
> >>
> >> NEW PORT RICHEY, Florida:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/couple-face-their-own-challenges-
> > by-giving-comfort-to-hospice-patients/1174810
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The St. Petersburg Times, Florida -Sunday, June 12, 2011.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice patients.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> NEW PORT RICHEY, FLORDA:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Their phone rang shortly before 9 pm Thursday.
> >>
> >>
> >> A patient was dying, and Art Nolden and Linda Knight didn't hesitate.
> >> They
> >
> >> had received special training for such moments.
> >>
> >>
> >> They called a taxi, loaded up their guide dogs and headed to HPH
> >> Hospice's Marliere Care Center.
> >>
> >> As "11th-hour volunteers,'' they sat through the night with the patient.
> >>
> >> "We talked about the sun, the rain, the dogs,'' Nolden offered the next
> >> day, chipper despite the duty that kept them at the center until 4:15 am.
> >> "Sometimes
> >>
> >> the silence was very important.''
> >>
> >> Giving comfort at life's end gives special meaning to this New Port
> >> Richey
> >
> >> couple who have ignored their own physical challenges to become beloved
> >> volunteers
> >>
> >> at the hospice where everyone knows them by their first names.
> >>
> >> Linda is hearing impaired and blind and relies on Shirley, a 5-year-old
> >> golden Labrador mix. Art is able to perceive light but objects once clear
> >> are now
> >>
> >> only blurs. JJ, a 4-year-old golden retriever, is his working companion.
> >> The four of them show up at the Marliere Care Center four hours every
> >> Wednesday,
> >>
> >> rarely missing a day. Linda has racked up 218 volunteer hours, Art 227.
> >>
> >> "It astonishes me and touches my heart. They have so many of their own
> >> challenges to contend with but they're as reliable as the sunshine," says
> >> Sheena
> >>
> >> Thompson, HPH Hospice volunteer coordinator, who first met them while
> >> making a presentation to the local Lion's Club. Art and Linda are
> >> members.
> >>
> >> Following the presentation, they approached Thompson and asked what they
> >> could do as volunteers. Thompson appreciated their sincerity and during
> >> two days
> >>
> >> of training witnessed their strengths. Linda is keenly aware of patient
> >> needs. She knows when to listen and when to talk and she knows when to
> >> stay with a patient and when to leave.
> >>
> >> Art's humor adds a light touch and he makes sure patients are aware of
> >> Linda's disability, gently encouraging them to speak a bit louder and
> >> slower. JJ and Shirley lead them through hallways and into patients'
> >> rooms. There the golden canines with mellow eyes sprawl, still and
> >> silent.
> >>
> >> "Patients are interested in the dogs. They ask us about them, and talking
> >> to patients about our situations takes them, for a time, out of their
> >> situation.
> >>
> >> It's rewarding and I find the patients inspiring," Linda said.
> >>
> >> Their own challenges make them especially sensitive to the needs of
> >> others. Linda was blind from birth, almost three months premature. She
> >> had
> >
> >> hearing aids before she was 5. Years later, in 2002, she received her
> >> first cochlear mplant, the second in 2004.
> >>
> >> "Being able to hear opens many doors,'' she said. "It's a never ending
> >> journey. When you lose your hearing and your vision you become isolated
> >> to
> >
> >> yourself."
> >>
> >> Linda, 54, attended Alabama State School for the Blind. In 1967, her
> >> parents realized Florida schools were including students with all
> >> limitations in mainstream classes. The family moved to Pensacola and
> >> Linda
> >
> >> graduated from Escambia High school in 1976. She attended Florida State
> >> University for one year, then transferred to Pensacola Junior College.
> >>
> >> She volunteered for a time as a telephone operator at the VA Outpatient
> >> Clinic in Pensacola, compensating for her lost vision by memorizing phone
> >> numbers.
> >>
> >> She married, raised a son and a daughter and has three grandchildren, a
> >> fourth expected soon. She divorced and reclaimed her maiden name.
> >>
> >> Art, 67, lost vision from optic nerve atrophy, a condition that began
> >> when
> >
> >> he was a first-grader. Art married, had a son and daughter and served as
> >> District Court Clerk on Long Island for many years, promotions coming
> >> frequently. His vision worsened and forced him to retire.
> >>
> >> Divorced and tired of the New York cold, Art headed south in 1988,
> >> joining
> >
> >> his parents who lived in Port Richey. He learned about Lighthouse for the
> >> Blind and Visually Impaired and served three years on its board of
> >> directors from 1994-1996. His classification as "legally blind" qualified
> >> him for a guide dog.
> >>
> >> In June 2000 he attended a guide dog class in Palmetto. He met Linda, who
> >> was attending the class from Columbus, Ga.
> >>
> >> "With 16 people and 16 dogs, it was often hard for Linda to hear the
> >> instructor," said Art, so he stepped to her side, repeating instructions.
> >>
> >> It was the start of a team effort that blossomed into a loving
> >> relationship. They've been together for 11 years, sharing life, household
> >> chores, and volunteering in the local community, particularly to HPH
> >> Hospice and the Lion's Club. Art quickly gives Linda most of the credit.
> >>
> >> "She does all the cooking and she is great with intuition. She knows what
> >> to say and when to say it," he said.
> >>
> >> Linda uses her Deaf/Blind Communicator, a small complex device with
> >> Braille and standard keyboards. If a patient would like to hear a Bible
> >> verse, for example, Linda can type the specifics on the Braille keyboard
> >> and through oral communication she can hear the passage and say it aloud
> >> to the patient.
> >>
> >> "We love listening to and talking with patients and I think we have
> >> reached a milestone - to be in public, to give to the community and to
> >> take part involunteer work here (HPH Hospice) or with the Lions," she
> >> said.
> >>
> >> Art agreed and quickly added they are only two of scores who volunteer at
> >> HPH Hospice in a variety of roles. Then they rose together, grasped
> >> harnesses and headed down the hallway to visit patients.
> >>
> >> [Last modified: Jun 11, 2011 12:02 PM]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ===================.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:17:44 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving
> comfort tohospice patients.
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> I thought it was a pretty good article. Everyone has chalenges that they face so it is a big deal if we make it one.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:59:32 -0600
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving
> comfort tohospice patients.
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>
> Hi, Ally,
> When I've had to visit friends in the hospital, I offten allowed them to
> interact with Odie when he was in work mode in his guide dog gear.
> I would walk him up to the paitient bed so that way, my friends would be
> able to give him a pat on the head and scratch behind his ears.
> It helpped them forget about why they were there and made their day really
> bright.
> When my husband Dale had to be admitted two years ago in the hospital for
> pneumonia in his lungs, Odie and I would visit him daily and actually stayed
> a couple of nights with him too.
> If we could, both Odie and I would gladly do it all over again not just for
> my husband/his daddy, but for other friends too.
> Bibi, husband Dale, retired Pilot Dogs
> guide dog/medical alert service dog son Odie
> and hopefully new four-legged furry mystery soon to be guide dog
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:22:55 -0600
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [nagdu] article: GDB Project
> Message-ID: <D49025FA9CC9474D961C2DF27CF3DC99 at BiancaSuperComputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi, all,
> Just want to ask out of curiosity if GDB has confirmed this plan already?
> *Just curious*
> For those who have already seen this from the GDB newsletter, I appologize
> if you're seeing it twice.
> Got this article from another list I'm on and thought it was worth sharing.
> Bibi, husband Dale, retired Pilot Dogs
> guide dog/medical alert service dog son Odie
> and hopefully new four-legged furry mystery soon to be guide dog
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 6:08 PM
> Subject: article
> ***
> 2012 Client Training and Class Options
> After much anticipation, we are delighted to confirm plans to build a new,
> state-of-the-art student residence building on our San Rafael campus,
> scheduled for completion in the spring of 2013.
> The current dormitory is scheduled for demolition in early 2012. In order to
> provide a seamless transition and maintain our quality services during the
> fifteen months of construction all classes in California will
> be hosted from a local hotel, Inn Marin, located a few miles north of the
> San Rafael campus in the town of Novato.
> In 2012, during construction, the San Rafael campus will offer 20 classes,
> 12 two-week classes for first-time students or retrains and eight three-week
> classes for first-time students or retrains depending on individual client
> preferences.
> Two-week classes will consist of six students with a two-to-one
> student-Instructor ratio, while three-week classes will consist of nine
> students with a three-to-one student-Instructor ratio. Our Oregon campus
> will continue to offer 24 two-week classes with a two-to-one
> student-Instructor ratio for first-time and retrain students during this
> same time period.
> Guide Dogs for the Blind will occupy 14 single rooms within a separate wing
> of Inn Marin, a beautiful, single story, ranch style hotel.
> Amenities within each guestroom include: a bathroom with shower, a
> television, wireless internet access, refrigerator, and plenty of space to
> comfortably accommodate a guide dog. The front door of each room accesses a
> beautifully landscaped courtyard with aromatic fruit trees, walking paths,
> and a swimming pool. Each room has a backdoor that will access a parking lot
> that will be transformed into a safe, shaded, privately enclosed
> leash-relieving area that will facilitate a student conveniently stepping
> out of their room into the relieving area, very similar to how the new San
> Rafael student residence relieving area is designed.
> Two of the 14 rooms will be transformed into a kitchen and a dining room
> where our current dormitory staff will prepare and serve the same
> high-quality meals. The hotel has also graciously agreed to allow our
> dormitory staff to assume responsibility for all housekeeping duties.
> Additional rooms will accommodate the needs of our instructional, nursing
> and residence advisor staff.
> In California, class training will continue to take place predominately in
> the same areas of San Rafael and San Francisco, and we will continue to
> customize our program to meet the individual needs of our students. Due to
> the success of our two-week program for first-time students in Oregon over
> the past 18 months, we are very pleased and excited to offer this option to
> first-time students in San Rafael starting in 2012.
> Guide Dogs for the Blind will continue to have graduations following each
> class, the location of which will be confirmed soon.
> Guide Dogs for the Blind and Inn Marin have enjoyed a close working
> relationship over the past several years and we look forward to this new
> association. You can visit the Inn Marin website at
> www.innmarin.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:40:34 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving
> comfort tohospice patients.
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Hi Bibi,
> Welcome to the list,
> Did you call Piolet to see if they would give you a slower dog?
> I hope you can go back soon.
> When I get to Denver, we must meet for lunch something like that.
> Send me your phone number again, so that I can put it in the phone.
>
> Original message:
> > Hi, Ally,
> > When I've had to visit friends in the hospital, I offten allowed them to
> > interact with Odie when he was in work mode in his guide dog gear.
> > I would walk him up to the paitient bed so that way, my friends would be
> > able to give him a pat on the head and scratch behind his ears.
> > It helpped them forget about why they were there and made their day really
> > bright.
> > When my husband Dale had to be admitted two years ago in the hospital for
> > pneumonia in his lungs, Odie and I would visit him daily and actually stayed
> > a couple of nights with him too.
> > If we could, both Odie and I would gladly do it all over again not just for
> > my husband/his daddy, but for other friends too.
> > Bibi, husband Dale, retired Pilot Dogs
> > guide dog/medical alert service dog son Odie
> > and hopefully new four-legged furry mystery soon to be guide dog
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:09:43 -0400
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Those wanting to know access for traveling with a
> guide dog to Jamaica
> Message-ID: <BLU162-ds137338EA922BDBBE0CBB53A1680 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Tamera, you may want to post this on the NAGDU website as well.
>
> I just had someone ask me about travel to Jamaica with a guide dog.
>
> Those also is reference for Barbados as well.
>
> Regulations Governing the Importation of Dogs and Cats into Jamaica
>
>
>
>
> a.. No dog or cat shall be imported into Jamaica except such an animal was born and breed in Great Britain, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland. This applies to Guide Dogs also. Dogs and Cats vaccinated against rabies are not allowed entry into Jamaica.
> a.. Every dog or cat imported into Jamaica must be accompanied by an Import Permit Issued by the Veterinary Division of the Ministry of Agriculture, Jamaica.
> a.. On arrival at Kingston, which shall be the only port of entry into the Island, every dog or cat shall be examined by an Inspector appointed under the Law and quarantined for no less than 14 days. If found free of any clinical signs of any notifiable disease, it may be cleared.
> a.. To obtain an Import Permit requires an Health Certificate, to be first obtained from your local Vet, which should be sent for certification to:
>
> The Animal Health Divisional Office (AHDO) DEFRA.
>
> (Please visit their Website at www.defra.gov.uk <http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/contacts/ahdo> for the AHDO Office in your region)
>
> The Health Certificate should state that there has been no Rabies in unquarrantined dogs, cats or other animals in the country from which it was exported.
>
> The Heath Certificate must accompany the animal and should be addressed to :
> The Veterinary Services Department,
>
> Ministry of Agriculture,
>
> Hope Gardens,
>
> Kingston 6,
>
> Jamaica, W.I.
>
> Tel: +876 977 2489
>
> +876 977 2492
>
> +876 927 0594
>
> Fax: +876 977 0885
>
> e-mail: nsep at mail.infochan.com<mailto:nsep at mail.infochan.com>
>
> Website: www.moa.gov.jm<http://www.moa.gov.jm/>
>
> * Please refer any questions regarding the importation of other small domestic pets (e.g. hamsters) to the Veterinary Services Department for their consideration.
>
>
>
> The quarantine of all animals will be at the owners expense and this and other attendant costs ( e.g. transportation from airport to nearby quarantine facility) are outlined in an information leaflet which accompanies the issued import permit. It should be noted also that the importation of these animals attracts customs duty and it is therefore recommended that owners contact Jamaica Customs for an evaluation and further information on indicative costs. Please visit their website at: www.jacustoms.gov.jm<http://www.jacustoms.gov.jm/>
>
>
>
> Heath Certificates are issued:
> a.. In the case of Great Britain by :
> The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), Animal Health Divisional Offices (AHDO) - as stated above
>
> a.. In the case of Northern Ireland by:
> The Animal Disease Control Branch,
> Department of Agricultural and Rural Affairs,
> DunDonald House,
> Upper Newtownards,
> Belfast BT4 3SB
> Room 715. Tel: 0289-052-4622
>
> a.. In the case of the Republic of Ireland by :
> The Department of Agriculture, Dublin
>
> No dog or cat so imported into the Island shall be landed if it has been in contact with any dog or cat other than a dog or cat coming directly from Great Britain, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland, or a dog or cat that has been released from quarantine in those countries in respect of Rabies, and which in either case has been granted an Official Certificate from the country of origin referred to above.
>
> Dogs and Cats vaccinated against rabies are not allowed entry into Jamaica.
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:49:35 -0400
> From: "Ally Matt" <ally.matt0 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving
> comfort tohospice patients.
> Message-ID: <4df7916a.869d2a0a.01be.ffffffbb at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Chasity,
> When I am at work seeing clients all day, I do not take my dog's harness off
> while I have clients in my office. I leave it on because some clients don't
> want to interact with a dog, and he is still young and excitable, so it can
> sometimes be distracting from the counseling process. My setting is also a
> little different as I work in a university counseling center.
> Hope that helps explain a little more.
> Ally
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chasity Jackson
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
> Hi Ally,
>
> I'm not sure what you meant by the patients not being able to interact with
> the dog. I'm not sure what the case is with Art and Linda, but when I
> volunteer, I remove Hadley's harness and allow my patients to pet her while
> she lies there. I think that is such a rewarding part of volunteering, that
> their interaction with her totally changes their day or possibly their whole
>
> attitude. I just wanted to say that is the case in my particular hospice
> volunteer experience. I love visiting patients and bringing out a different
> side of them with my dog present and interacting with them.
> Chasity
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ally Matt" <ally.matt0 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challengesby giving comfort
> tohospice patients.
>
>
> >I think it is great that these two have found a niche to volunteer in. I'm
> > sure the dogs are a valued part of the process for the patients even
> > though
> > they can't interact with the dogs. I am about to finish my degree in
> > counseling, and as I have done my practicum and intership experiences I
> > have
> > had wonderful responses from clients toward my dog. I've even had people
> > request to meet with the counselor with the dog. I think for many people
> > having an animal in the room is a calming experience, and sometimes it
> > lightens the heavy mood when he snores or lets out huge sighs. The clients
> > often say he knows just how they are feeling.
> >
> > Ally and Allstar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:56 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> > How so? What was wrong with this article?
> > I don't have the emotional strength to do what Art and Linda do.
> > Hats off to them.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Steven Johnson
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:07 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> > What these people are doing is great, but how the media/newspaper
> > continues
> > to portray blind people is pathetic.
> >
> > JMO,
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Melissa Green
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:42 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> > Grate work.
> > Thank you for sharig this article.
> >
> > Blessings!
> > Melissa Green
> > Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you
> > are
> > strong enough to let go.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: "NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:04 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] . Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort
> > tohospice patients.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> June 11, 2011 1:03 PM
> >> Subject: Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice
> >> patients.
> >>
> >>
> >> The St. Petersburg Times, Florida -Sunday, June 12, 2011.
> >> ------------
> >> Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice patients.
> >>
> >> NEW PORT RICHEY, Florida:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/couple-face-their-own-challenges-
> > by-giving-comfort-to-hospice-patients/1174810
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The St. Petersburg Times, Florida -Sunday, June 12, 2011.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Couple face their own challenges by giving comfort to hospice patients.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> NEW PORT RICHEY, FLORDA:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Their phone rang shortly before 9 pm Thursday.
> >>
> >>
> >> A patient was dying, and Art Nolden and Linda Knight didn't hesitate.
> >> They
> >
> >> had received special training for such moments.
> >>
> >>
> >> They called a taxi, loaded up their guide dogs and headed to HPH
> >> Hospice's Marliere Care Center.
> >>
> >> As "11th-hour volunteers,'' they sat through the night with the patient.
> >>
> >> "We talked about the sun, the rain, the dogs,'' Nolden offered the next
> >> day, chipper despite the duty that kept them at the center until 4:15 am.
> >> "Sometimes
> >>
> >> the silence was very important.''
> >>
> >> Giving comfort at life's end gives special meaning to this New Port
> >> Richey
> >
> >> couple who have ignored their own physical challenges to become beloved
> >> volunteers
> >>
> >> at the hospice where everyone knows them by their first names.
> >>
> >> Linda is hearing impaired and blind and relies on Shirley, a 5-year-old
> >> golden Labrador mix. Art is able to perceive light but objects once clear
> >> are now
> >>
> >> only blurs. JJ, a 4-year-old golden retriever, is his working companion.
> >> The four of them show up at the Marliere Care Center four hours every
> >> Wednesday,
> >>
> >> rarely missing a day. Linda has racked up 218 volunteer hours, Art 227.
> >>
> >> "It astonishes me and touches my heart. They have so many of their own
> >> challenges to contend with but they're as reliable as the sunshine," says
> >> Sheena
> >>
> >> Thompson, HPH Hospice volunteer coordinator, who first met them while
> >> making a presentation to the local Lion's Club. Art and Linda are
> >> members.
> >>
> >> Following the presentation, they approached Thompson and asked what they
> >> could do as volunteers. Thompson appreciated their sincerity and during
> >> two days
> >>
> >> of training witnessed their strengths. Linda is keenly aware of patient
> >> needs. She knows when to listen and when to talk and she knows when to
> >> stay with a patient and when to leave.
> >>
> >> Art's humor adds a light touch and he makes sure patients are aware of
> >> Linda's disability, gently encouraging them to speak a bit louder and
> >> slower. JJ and Shirley lead them through hallways and into patients'
> >> rooms. There the golden canines with mellow eyes sprawl, still and
> >> silent.
> >>
> >> "Patients are interested in the dogs. They ask us about them, and talking
> >> to patients about our situations takes them, for a time, out of their
> >> situation.
> >>
> >> It's rewarding and I find the patients inspiring," Linda said.
> >>
> >> Their own challenges make them especially sensitive to the needs of
> >> others. Linda was blind from birth, almost three months premature. She
> >> had
> >
> >> hearing aids before she was 5. Years later, in 2002, she received her
> >> first cochlear mplant, the second in 2004.
> >>
> >> "Being able to hear opens many doors,'' she said. "It's a never ending
> >> journey. When you lose your hearing and your vision you become isolated
> >> to
> >
> >> yourself."
> >>
> >> Linda, 54, attended Alabama State School for the Blind. In 1967, her
> >> parents realized Florida schools were including students with all
> >> limitations in mainstream classes. The family moved to Pensacola and
> >> Linda
> >
> >> graduated from Escambia High school in 1976. She attended Florida State
> >> University for one year, then transferred to Pensacola Junior College.
> >>
> >> She volunteered for a time as a telephone operator at the VA Outpatient
> >> Clinic in Pensacola, compensating for her lost vision by memorizing phone
> >> numbers.
> >>
> >> She married, raised a son and a daughter and has three grandchildren, a
> >> fourth expected soon. She divorced and reclaimed her maiden name.
> >>
> >> Art, 67, lost vision from optic nerve atrophy, a condition that began
> >> when
> >
> >> he was a first-grader. Art married, had a son and daughter and served as
> >> District Court Clerk on Long Island for many years, promotions coming
> >> frequently. His vision worsened and forced him to retire.
> >>
> >> Divorced and tired of the New York cold, Art headed south in 1988,
> >> joining
> >
> >> his parents who lived in Port Richey. He learned about Lighthouse for the
> >> Blind and Visually Impaired and served three years on its board of
> >> directors from 1994-1996. His classification as "legally blind" qualified
> >> him for a guide dog.
> >>
> >> In June 2000 he attended a guide dog class in Palmetto. He met Linda, who
> >> was attending the class from Columbus, Ga.
> >>
> >> "With 16 people and 16 dogs, it was often hard for Linda to hear the
> >> instructor," said Art, so he stepped to her side, repeating instructions.
> >>
> >> It was the start of a team effort that blossomed into a loving
> >> relationship. They've been together for 11 years, sharing life, household
> >> chores, and volunteering in the local community, particularly to HPH
> >> Hospice and the Lion's Club. Art quickly gives Linda most of the credit.
> >>
> >> "She does all the cooking and she is great with intuition. She knows what
> >> to say and when to say it," he said.
> >>
> >> Linda uses her Deaf/Blind Communicator, a small complex device with
> >> Braille and standard keyboards. If a patient would like to hear a Bible
> >> verse, for example, Linda can type the specifics on the Braille keyboard
> >> and through oral communication she can hear the passage and say it aloud
> >> to the patient.
> >>
> >> "We love listening to and talking with patients and I think we have
> >> reached a milestone - to be in public, to give to the community and to
> >> take part involunteer work here (HPH Hospice) or with the Lions," she
> >> said.
> >>
> >> Art agreed and quickly added they are only two of scores who volunteer at
> >> HPH Hospice in a variety of roles. Then they rose together, grasped
> >> harnesses and headed down the hallway to visit patients.
> >>
> >> [Last modified: Jun 11, 2011 12:02 PM]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ===================.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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