[nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry

Lisa Irving lirving1234 at cox.net
Sat Mar 5 06:59:13 UTC 2011 

You know, if we were to flip out on the bigot we'd probably get carted away 
for creating a public disturbance; a real crime in San Diego. Or worse yet, 
we might be convicted of a "hate crime". Why isn't that the case when these 
bigots are tripping out and berating some one who belongs to a "protected 
class" of people? I am being some what satirical.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry


> Oh, what's a little thing like the law of land when you're talking to a
> blind person?  If the guy doesn't care what the dog is, he can just yell 
> and
> scream at the blind person to scare him into going away, right?  Wrong!
> People who use those kind of bullying tactics against someone they 
> perceive
> as weaker just do not impress me.
>
> So I sort of developed my schtick for dealing with bullying types back in
> the day when I was a sweet young girl geek in a hick town, then as a sweet
> young girl geek in the city working my way up the corporate ladder due to 
> my
> natural geek skills and brains in jobs that were still considered a man's
> field.  I believe that women like me who excelled and kept working our
> you-know-whats off and such and talking to corporate execs like we were
> their equals were called something fairly unprintable, especially by the
> power-tripping execs who had ways of dealing with uppity females.  Ah, the
> good old days.
>
> So I found the direct eye contact and body language to be very effective 
> at
> letting someone higher up the ladder work it out of his system so that we
> could go on an work productively together.  Who knew?  /lol/
>
> Anyway, I worried about that a bit as my central vision started to go, 
> since
> I didn't know if I could pull it off when I couldn't see the eyes I was
> trying to contact...  Especially as I began to clue in that there are some
> nasty bullies out there just waiting for somebody weak and helpless to 
> push
> around and intimidate.  Sigh.  Turns out, it still seems to work for me 
> even
> though I'm just guessing where the person's eyes are.  My current working
> theory is that the utter lack of concern with all the huff and puff that I
> am communicating eventually gives the other person cause to reconsider and
> settle down and use some reason.  /smile/
>
> Or call the cops on themselves so they can get a ticket.  /lol/  Surprise,
> surprise!
>
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of William Burley, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:03 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of 
> Entry
>
> Hey Tami!
>
> I have to say that I'm going to start tellling people this when they upset
> me..."I really hope I'm having eye contact with you..." and then go on.
> When I read what you typed I had to laugh.
>
> I think the one that got to me the most was the convenience store.  The 
> guy
> wouldn't let me talk at all and what really took the cake is when I told 
> him
> she was a guide dog, he turned around and yelled that he didn't care what
> she was.
>
>
>
> Will Burley
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:42 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of 
> Entry
>
> Oh, my.  Ain't that fun?  I figured I could start calling myself an
> experienced guide dog handler when I stopped being surprised by these
> things, or even noticing once I dealt with it.  The first few times, of
> course, I could not imagine what would inspire a theoretically civilized
> human to behave in such a manner!  Was I supposed to take this seriously?
> /lol/
>
> So I probably did about the same thing I do now, which is to stare blankly
> at the one who is behaving so bizarrely with the same blank stare you
> described from Gypsy.  Once whoever it is has gotten it all out of their
> system, then we can talk about our issues and laws and stuff.
>
> If need be, I pull out my 'tude, which is a lot like my blank stare only
> with a bit more dominant body language.  Subtle stuff, really, but it does
> seem to help clear things up on subject of just how intimidated I am. 
> Which
> is generally not at all.  I go straight to irritated, even angry, and I 
> let
> some of that play in my expression and the quality of my (I hope) eye
> contact.  Once they've settled down with the extravagant body language and
> curses and huff and puff, then we can talk.  /lol/
>
> So far I haven't had anybody bring in the cops, but the way you handled 
> that
> one sounds like what some of the more experienced handlers do.  Just wait 
> it
> out and let the other person call the cops on you, then go from there.  I
> guess it can be iffy doing that if the cops are not informed about the 
> law,
> so I'm not eager for an opportunity to try that tactic.  /smile/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of William Burley, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:30 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry
>
> Good afternoon all!
>
>
>
> A question I would like to pose is where do you find that there is an
> attempt to deny access to a person with a service animal generally?
>
>
>
> As for me, I've worked with Gypsy for about a year and we've only had an
> issue three times.  One was the week we got home and my mobility 
> instructor
> took me out to eat as celebration for making it through training.  We went
> to a Vietnamese restaurant.  the hostess sat us down and all of a sudden 
> the
> manager rushed the table and began yelling, "No pets!  No pets!  You 
> cannot
> bring in your pet!"  Surprisingly I was very calm...considering this was 
> one
> of our first forays into the public after leaving the school.  I told him
> that she was a service animal and that she was allowed.  He kept yelling 
> and
> my mobility guy went the heck livid.  The manager then left us alone.
>
>
>
> I then, some months later, went to a convenience store near my apartment.
> I've been in there many times but this particular time, Gypsy and I walked
> in and the clerk began yelling and cussing.  Of course, I won't and can't
> repeat what he said here.  He went on and on like that.  I offered to call
> the police for him after repeated attempts to tell him she was a guide dog
> and to show her ID card and bring attention to the harness wrapped around
> her.  Gypsy just sat and stared at the man.  Needless to say, he called 
> the
> police himself while berating me until they got there.  I showed the 
> police
> the ID card and they saw Seeing Eye on the harness.  They proceeded to 
> write
> the man a ticket.  I then organized about five folks with guide dogs to 
> make
> a visit to the store.  He said nothing.
>
>
>
> most recently was this week.  A co-worker and I went to a Chinese 
> restaurant
> for lunch and the cashier ran to the door saying, "Get out!"
>
>
>
> We've honestly had very few experiences considering our time home and the
> amount we do go out.  It seems though that when we get those few folks who
> are simply uninformed....they're really uninformed!  LOL!
>
>
>
> Have you experienced this problem and what have you done about it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Will Burley
>
> 713..614.3322
>
> William.burley3 at gmail.com
>
>
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