[nagdu] no result

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Sun Oct 16 17:12:17 UTC 2011 

I only mentioned the NFB website because thats where I found the list of 
schools.  Thanks Cheryl for pointing other places where it can be found!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result


> This is also members at large, which is you are part of the NFB, but you 
> don't belong to a chapter.
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
> 631-456-5394
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in 
> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, 
> Inc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>
>
>> Sounds like a plan.  I didn't think that all the listers weren't also NFB
>> members.  Also, I'm not even a current member as there is no chapter 
>> close
>> enough to me although I have contact with the Beach Cities chapter in
>> Carlsbad, CA.  I was an active member of NFB back in the late 90s until 
>> 2001
>> when our local chapter died for lack of interest.  San Diego has always 
>> been
>> an ACB territory - there's two chapters of that here but they really 
>> could
>> merge to get a larger amoount of members.  But, it is what it is.
>>
>> Bibi, hopefully, this problem gets resolved favorably for you.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>>
>>
>> > Bibi may not be part of the NFB Lyn. So we should be asking her to 
>> > contact
>> > her local NFB Chapter or we can give her the information in her state 
>> > for
>> > them.
>> >
>> > There are many on this list that comes to learn and listen, whether 
>> > they
>> > are guide dog users, puppy raisers, or sponsor a dog. So they may not 
>> > be
>> > part of the organization.
>> >
>> > The lists are free to anyone who needs to know more about us.
>> >
>> > So I am asking.
>> >
>> > Bibi, should you need the contact in your state for the President we 
>> > can
>> > get you that information, and that person, get you in touch with that
>> > chapter president.
>> >
>> > Have a great day all.
>> >
>> >
>> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>> > 631-456-5394
>> > reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located 
>> > in
>> > Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>> > Inc.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] no result
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Bibi,
>> >> Just for clarification:  Just what does Odie do for you if she isn't a
>> >> guide
>> >> dog?  Can you just use her as a guide dog and the apartment manager 
>> >> has
>> >> no
>> >> choice but to accept her presence?
>> >>
>> >> With the many years of folks abusing the ADA and what exactly is a
>> >> service
>> >> dog, they have now caused this problem that affects all of us in one 
>> >> way
>> >> or
>> >> another.  You know, with people bringing their untrained pet dogs into
>> >> public spaces and the dogs create problems with bad behavior.  I think
>> >> most
>> >> people are more confused about this than they were before the abuse of
>> >> ADA.
>> >> I'm glad that the ADA has finally changed its regulations but it 
>> >> should
>> >> have
>> >> been done years ago before all the problems got out of hand.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry you're having these problems.  Hey, where's your local NFB
>> >> chapter
>> >> and why don't they put their money where their mouth is and help you? 
>> >> If
>> >> your dog is TRAINED to do tasks for your disabilities, then you're
>> >> covered
>> >> by ADA, period and that apartment manager should be in trouble over it
>> >> all.
>> >>
>> >> Lyn and Landon
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>> >> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:30 AM
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] no result
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi, all,
>> >> > Service dog battle still continues on and there's no result as of 
>> >> > yet.
>> >> > When I spoke with the assistant manager, next response I got was 
>> >> > that
>> >> > CHAFA and some other founders of the apartment complex are now 
>> >> > standing
>> >> > by
>> >> > the manager's side and stating that service dogs fall under the pet
>> >> > rules,
>> >> > which I stated before they don't go under there.
>> >> > So, off to the Colorado Cross Disability Colision I go Monday with 
>> >> > all
>> >> > the
>> >> > necessary appropriate paperwork I need to back myself up in the 
>> >> > hopes I
>> >> > can get further.
>> >> > I immediately had a letter written by Doctor Jeremy Long which will 
>> >> > be
>> >> > out
>> >> > in the mail and I'll have my hands on it.
>> >> > I was so frustrated and angry yesterday afternoon, that I actually 
>> >> > felt
>> >> > as
>> >> > if I wanted to just go downstairs and punch the apartment manager.
>> >> > This would not have been the first time I felt the need to just 
>> >> > destroy
>> >> > her into many pieces.
>> >> > It's happened before a couple years back and other times.
>> >> > That didn't happen as I took the smart approach and immediately
>> >> > contacted
>> >> > the Outtpaitient Behavioral Services department at Denver Health
>> >> > Medical
>> >> > and ended up being connected to a crysis nurse who was able to help
>> >> > talk
>> >> > me through what was going on and happening.
>> >> > Normally to do another intake if not seen at a particular clenic for 
>> >> > a
>> >> > long time can be three weeks out.
>> >> > Scott the nurse felt that was too long for me to wait, so he's going 
>> >> > to
>> >> > try and push to get me in sooner.
>> >> > I told him that a couple years back, I worked with Dr. Lowdermilk 
>> >> > and
>> >> > was
>> >> > told that she permamently works there now.
>> >> > Scott's hope is to be able to get me connected with DR. Lowdermilk 
>> >> > so I
>> >> > can get in or at least, she would be able to talk with me directly.
>> >> > I wonder if it just may be me personally, but maybe others may go
>> >> > through
>> >> > similarities as me.
>> >> > Do you have them moments of where you feel as if you're being mocho 
>> >> > or
>> >> > tough upon holding feelings back and it seems nothing is going to 
>> >> > push
>> >> > you
>> >> > over the edge?
>> >> > I guess for some time, I felt that I was in denial of this 
>> >> > particular
>> >> > situation bugging the creepers cheesers out of me and finally, it 
>> >> > was
>> >> > too
>> >> > much.
>> >> > I immediately went into melt down on the phone yesterday.
>> >> > I started to feel in despair as I was losing an important battle not
>> >> > just
>> >> > for myself, but for other people with disabilities who have service
>> >> > dogs
>> >> > and important of all, guide dogs.
>> >> > The big concern of why I was trying to hold everything back and stay 
>> >> > as
>> >> > calm as I could was to prevent a full blown severe asthma attack and
>> >> > another convulsive grandmal seizure too.
>> >> > Eventually, everything was going to have to come out, one way or the
>> >> > other, despite a possible medical consequence.
>> >> > I was told not to give up this battle and keep fighting for my 
>> >> > rights,
>> >> > but
>> >> > also for others as well.
>> >> > Will post more once I am able to meet with the Colorado cross
>> >> > Disability
>> >> > Colision on Monday and it won't be just them either that will get
>> >> > another
>> >> > update.
>> >> > The Colorado Legal Aid Center for People with Disabilities and 
>> >> > Elderly
>> >> > People will get it too.
>> >> > I am not going to give up on this and if I have to do this alone, it 
>> >> > is
>> >> > still going to be won.
>> >> > *Smiles*
>> >> > Bibi and Odie
>> >> > the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>> >> >
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