[nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened

Mon Oct 31 05:23:40 UTC 2011

Hello all!

These were all some very interesting comments on The Seeing Eye's
restructuring of the class time.  As a graduate of SE, I am pretty sure this
is something that they've been contemplating for an extended period of time.
The system that we were accustomed too was not the schedule they started
with all those millions of years ago.  LOL!

I don't think anyone has to worry about the quality of training because of a
mere two shorter days.

There was someone on the list that had issue with the scheduling of time off
from work.  I'm not sure if you are a graduate from there, but SE offers
home training if your work schedule is that difficult to fit with training.
There was a retrain in my class who stayed for a week and had the remainder
of her training at home so she could go to work since she didn't have enough
time to be away.  She was able to train at the office and after work.  

What we can forget is that these schools have been performing this service
for a very long time and each has a valuable success rate, that we all are
the beneficiaries of.

I'm sure everything will be fine and am glad when I go back it will be the
same great level of training as long as my dedication is equal.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:36 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened

I don't think it is possible to make everyone happy. I, personally, have no
problem with starting on Monday. It would seem odd at first, especially if
they operate in the same format--You get there Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday
through the morning they get to know you and do some lectures, Wednesday
afternoon they let you meet your new partner and then they go on doing what
they did before. When I went for that shortened time in 2008, I went on
Saturday and came home on a Tuesday. This way I would go on a Monday and go
home on Thursday. I don't have strong druthers about it really.

Cindy Lou

On Oct 30, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:

> Wayne,
> 
> That's what is so easy to forget when I'm scratching my head over some new
thing or other the programs are doing that makes no sense to me at all from
my point of view...
> 
> They actually do need to think about how to do things in a way that will
make everybody happy. Or that will, at the very least, work to accommodate
the largest number of people. /grin/
> 
> If the world would just get things straight and organize things around
what would make me happy, I would be a lot happier. I'm just saying. /lol/
> 
> Tami
> 
> 
> On 10/30/2011 01:50 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>> I too think that they could save days on the back end rather than the
>> beginning. Also, how does this affect "dog day" and test driving the
>> puppies? Does the schedule of the training change at all, or did they
>> just shorten it by 2 days and keep the schedule the same? I understand
>> the change, but more was not said than was said. I was fine with
>> starting on Saturday and having that extra adjustment time, but I also
>> understand the confluence of the person in a tight job situation.
>> Personally, I would rather have seen the class lengths kept the same,
>> and perhaps a shorter class schedule that could be offered to those
>> that didn't want to stay as long. It's a complex issue all the way
>> around and it's hard to satisfy everyone.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 10/30/11, Margo and Arrow<margo.downey at verizon.net>  wrote:
>>> Oh, I think cost-cutting could be one of the reasons, but, students or I
>>> should say, many students want shorter class times.  I'm not sure why
they
>>> chose Monday; am not sure why they chose to not have students show up on
>>> saturday.  I think there could be a bunch of reasons.  Maybe staff want
the
>>> weekend off between classes.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to write to Dave Johnson and see if I can find out.
>>> 
>>> Margo and Arrow
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steven Johnson"<blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Margo,
>>>> Do you think it is a cost-savings measure?  Earlier weekday rates tend
to
>>>> be
>>>> lower than weekend airfare, and this is the first reason that jumped
out
>>>> at
>>>> me.  However, I am also going to make an assumption that finances are
>>>> probably not a significant issue with the Eye.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>>>> Of Margo and Arrow
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:49 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>> 
>>>> It would be interesting to know the reasoning for starting on a week
day
>>>> versus weekend.
>>>> 
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Sam Hogle"<smhogle at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I agree. It makes sense to leave a few days early, as that would put
you
>>>> close to the begining of a work week. I thought about posting that on
>>>> the TSE list, but let's just say that things are at the point where I'm
>>>> not willing to get in the middle of these arguments. Based on how
things
>>>> are going with everything on there, I figure it is better to stay
neutral.
>>>> On 10/30/2011 10:23 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>>> I'm glad class is a little shorter, but I'm a bit annoyed that it's
the
>>>>> weekend they've cut off.  For me, arranging time off work is the
hardest
>>>>> part of getting ready for class.  I would be a lot happier if they'd
>>>>> start
>>>>> on Saturday and drop a couple workdays at the end.  Am I the only
person
>>>>> who feels this way?
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think that there is just a little less down time. That was the
length
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my last class; I thought it was more challenging, or invigorating.
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jewel wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What effect, if any, will this have on the training sessions? It
seems
>>>>>>> it gives people less time to get acclimated to the area, but do
people
>>>>>>> need that extra time?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious,
>>>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/29/11, Margo and Arrow<margo.downey at verizon.net>   wrote:
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "The Seeing Eye, Inc."<noreply at seeingeye.org>
>>>>>>>> To: "Margo Downey"<margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Seeing Eye Class Length Shortened
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear Graduates,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At The Seeing Eye, we've always been committed to serving our
students
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the best way possible. Over the years, many students have asked if
it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be possible to have a shorter stay here in order to return to their
>>>>>>>> friends,
>>>>>>>> families, and jobs.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In response, we've streamlined our training process in order to
allow
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> students to get home as quickly as possible.  Starting with our
first
>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>> in January, we will be able to reduce the time students spend on
>>>>>>>> campus
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> two days. Instead of arriving Saturday, students will now arrive on
>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>> This will enable you to return home in two fewer days - retraining
>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>> will stay for 18 days, and new students for 25 days.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Information on the updated class dates for 2012 can be found at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.SeeingEye.org/Schedule
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David Johnson
>>>>>>>> Director of Instruction&   Training
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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