[nagdu] GDB's new methods

[Tracy Carcione]

Thanks for these explanations.
Tracy

> absolutely not.  sure, some handlers probably do that kind of thing.  in
> fact, with Bianca and now with Olga, I often do.  I need them to find
> wheel
> chair ramps, so I often give them food rewards across the street he upcurb
> side, but they do not rush across streets.  also, I live by a very
> complicated street crossing--I would end up moving by the most complicated
> crossing in my town.  The crossing is stressful for me and for Olga.  I
> don't mind rewarding her when we get across it.  By the way, it never ever
> replaces praise.  I bend down, hug her, tell her what a good girl she is
> and
> then give her a piece of kibble.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:00 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
>
> Hi Sherry.
> Thanks.  That's very interesting.  So you don't have to give a treat at
> every up-curb?  I would think that would make the dog rush across the
> street.  Sometimes I feel like rushing across the street, but TSE told me
> to go slow if Ben wants to.  It does give him more time to react, I guess,
> even if it's nerve-wracking for me.
>
> Margo, I was in GDB's 2-week class 3 times, and that was in the pre-treats
> era.  I really liked it.  Not so much messing about.  Get in, get it done,
> go home!
> Tracy
>
>> I think your friend has the process a little confused.  Which is easy to
>> do.
>> The way GDB does clicker training means it's the click and treat you
>> reduce
>> over time and yes the treat as well, depending on your dog, of course.
>> You
>> use the click and treat while teaching your dog something such as
>> finding
>> a
>> light pole or bus stop or doorway, then once the dog knows it, you back
>> off
>> on the click, then gradually back off ont he treat, if you want.  My
>> current
>> guide hardly ever needs food rewards, and my retired guide got them for
>> almost everything.  I always have kibble in my pockets.  But remember,
>> you
>> also always delete the amount from the daily meals for the dogs.  The
>> whole
>> click and treat thing is so customizable depending on the handler's
>> needs
>> and desires and the dog's needs and best way to motivate.  And I'm
>> someone
>> who used to be strongly anti food reward when GDB first started using
>> it,
>> but now I'm completely sold on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:35 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
>>
>> I thought GDB was using clicker training, the click & treat, with the
>> treats decreasing frequency as the dog figured out what was wanted.
>> (That's my understanding of C&T, which I admit is rather vague.)  But I
>> was talking to a friend about it, and she thinks that GDB is not
>> clicking,
>> just using food rewards, and that the treats never decrease.  She thinks
>> that the new GDB graduate is constantly handing out treats, at least at
>> every up-curb, and probably other places.  We're picturing a guy
>> schlepping a 5-pound bag of kibble for a long walk!
>> Are there any recent GDB graduates on the list who've been trained in
>> the
>> new methods?  What is it really like? Now I'm eaten up with curiosity!
>> C&T me!
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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