[nagdu] Doors

Natalie nrorrell at qwest.net
Sun Sep 18 00:05:07 UTC 2011 

I know that's right.  It's all about whatever works.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors


> Ah, that makes sense. Now that I'm paying attention again to how we do
> it, I'm finding doors traumatic and confusing. /lol/ Well, we've had a
> couple of chances to practice with me paying attention, and I think I'm
> figuring out what we do, precisely, so it's a good thing, since that way
> I may be able to figure out if we can do it better... The simpler a
> thing is to do, the more difficult it is for me to figure out; makes me
> crazy sometimes. Yup. If it's not rocket science I cannot figure it
> out. /lol/
>
> Well, safety first, so as long as we get through those doors safely for
> both handler and dog, then it's all good, right? /grin/
>
> Tami
>
> On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 17:25 -0600, harold leigland wrote:
>> hi tami, I should clairify that the dog steps in front of us after it 
>> gets through the door, comes around to left side again to work by harness 
>> best hal
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To:  nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tuesday, Sep 13, 2011 12:44:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Yikes! Glad your dog saved your fall there. I've convinced Mitzi of my
>> > stupidity the same way once or twice, but I seem to keep my stair falls
>> > to one or two steps. For doors, I am fortunate that she does leash 
>> > guide
>> > or give me other hints even when I drop the handle, so that has made it
>> > easier to come up with ways to deal those awkward doors in our lives.
>> > I've heard of the notion of Heeling your dog through the door -- some
>> > self-proclaimed expert or other lectured me about it at length when we
>> > were getting to that place in our training. I made the mistake of 
>> > asking
>> > if they had ideas... I need to remember to be more specific,
>> > clearly. /lol/ I meant iningd* ideas! And I didn't want to be harangued
>> > about how I ininmust* use your disastrously bad idea because you know 
>> > best
>> > that that ininis* how it is done by all guide dog users because that is 
>> > the
>> > way it must be! If I don't know the door I'm going through, I'm not
>> > heeling the dog, thank you. Nor am I going to get into that habit!
>> >
>> > Well, if others have been taught to do things that way and it works for
>> > you, then I guess it's a good idea for you. /smile/ For me, the very
>> > thought makes my hair stand on end. I know me too well, I guess. If
>> > there's a disaster waiting to happen on the other side of the door, and
>> > I don't notice with my other senses, then I can probably manage to have
>> > the disaster. /shudder/
>> >
>> > Anyway, I'm liking hearing about the solutions others have come up with
>> > and/or been taught. Now my task is not be so busy thinking about how I
>> > go around opening doors and getting through them that I fall on my face
>> > because I'm over thinking it. /lol/
>> >
>> > Tami
>> >
>> > On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 13:02 com0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> > > I notice, now that I pay a little attention, that sometimes I drop 
>> > > the
>> > > harness and hold the door, and either bring Ben around behind me to 
>> > > my
>> > > right, or leave him on my left, and let him walk through the door 
>> > > ahead of
>> > > me.  He is not trained to leash guide, but he can do it a bit, and I 
>> > > can
>> > > feel if he stops or moves to avoid something as he goes through the 
>> > > door.
>> > > I guess I've just had too many mishaps when moving around in public
>> > > without using my dog or cane that I am real leery of doing it.  I had 
>> > > a
>> > > spectacular incident once when my dog stopped, and I thought he'd 
>> > > stopped
>> > > for a door, so I stepped up to open it and fell down a flight of 
>> > > stairs at
>> > > the Empire State Building.  My dog stood at the top, and his leash 
>> > > stopped
>> > > my slide.  I'm sure he was thinking what an idiot I was, and he was 
>> > > right.
>> > > So, after enough such stupidities, I try not to step in front of my 
>> > > dog,
>> > > and to keep hold of the harness as much as possible.
>> > > Tracy
>> > >
>> > > > That spin thing is what I've been doing for the past few years, but 
>> > > > I
>> > > > really don't like it.  I used to do the reach across to hold the 
>> > > > door
>> > > > open maneuver.  I was always afraid about getting the dog's paws 
>> > > > caught
>> > > > in the bottom of the door, but I'm also not comfortable letting go 
>> > > > of
>> > > > the harness handle when working through doors.  I'm going to have 
>> > > > to
>> > > > think more about this.  Perhaps when I'm walking again this is 
>> > > > something
>> > > > I can experiment with in the house.   Keep the ideas coming!  It 
>> > > > helps
>> > > > me to think through all the options.
>> > > >
>> > > > Julie
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 9/13/2011 9:01 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> > > >ar That is what I call the pirouette. I learned it in class, and 
>> > > >promptly
>> > > >ar forgot it.  It doesn't work for me, but obviously it works for 
>> > > >others.
>> > > >ar Tracy
>> > > >ar
>> > > >ar
>> > > >>> Archie and I do that too. When we come to a door. I'll turn 
>> > > >>> around, And
>> > > >>> go
>> > > >>> threw back first so the door don't hit hem.
>> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>> From: "Natalie"<nrorrell at qwest.net>
>> > > >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog 
>> > > >>> Users"
>> > > >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > > >>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:53 PM
>> > > >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Hi Tracy, et al,
>> > > >>>> When working Liam through a door that opens on the left, I 
>> > > >>>> pivot, so
>> > > >>>> as
>> > > >>>> to
>> > > >>>> have my back to the door then heel him through.  I've been doing 
>> > > >>>> this
>> > > >>>> with
>> > > >>>> all my guides.  Probably my explanation sounds as clear as mud; 
>> > > >>>> I'd
>> > > >>>> have
>> > > >>>> to physically show you to make sure the words are coming out 
>> > > >>>> right,
>> > > >>>> lol.
>> > > >>>> I've been doing it so long it's natural, and it works for Liam 
>> > > >>>> and me.
>> > > >>>> Best,
>> > > >>>> Nat and Liam Joshua
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>>> From: "Tracy Carcione"<carcione at access.net>
>> > > >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog 
>> > > >>>> Users"
>> > > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:23 PM
>> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doors
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> Catching up on old email...
>> > > >>>>> Like Catherine, I reach across my body to hold open doors with 
>> > > >>>>> hinges
>> > > >>>>> on
>> > > >>>>> the left.
>> > > >>>>> If I'm opening a door towards me, I try to angle my foot a bit 
>> > > >>>>> so my
>> > > >>>>> shoe
>> > > >>>>> is between the dog's paws and the door.
>> > > >>>>> It's hard to explain, since I'm so used to it I don't think 
>> > > >>>>> about it
>> > > >>>>> anymore much.
>> > > >>>>> Tracy
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Tracy,
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> I'd love to be able to work Monty through doors.  Like you I 
>> > > >>>>>> don't
>> > > >>>>>> want
>> > > >>>>>> to step into something unknown on the other side.  I also know 
>> > > >>>>>> of a
>> > > >>>>>> couple of places where there are steps immediate to the door, 
>> > > >>>>>> which
>> > > >>>>>> make
>> > > >>>>>> working the dog a much less nerve racking experience! 
>> > > >>>>>> ininsmile*
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> My question is for doors that open on the right, hinges on the 
>> > > >>>>>> left,
>> > > >>>>>> how
>> > > >>>>>> do you keep the door open wide enough so that it doesn't whack 
>> > > >>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>> dog
>> > > >>>>>> who is between you and the door?  There's no problem say on 
>> > > >>>>>> the door
>> > > >>>>>> to
>> > > >>>>>> my home that stays in place when I open it, but what about the 
>> > > >>>>>> doors
>> > > >>>>>> that automatically close when they aren't being held?
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> I used to work right opening doors as you describe with Tia, 
>> > > >>>>>> but
>> > > >>>>>> caught
>> > > >>>>>> her feet on several occasions.  Fortunately never bad enough 
>> > > >>>>>> to do
>> > > >>>>>> damage, but still something I don't want to take chances on.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Do I just have short arms or something? ininsmile*  Seriously 
>> > > >>>>>> though I
>> > > >>>>>> would like to know how you do this.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Julie
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On 8/30/2011 10:53 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>> I just went out to get lunch, and I see that I almost always 
>> > > >>>>>>> work
>> > > >>>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>>> dog
>> > > >>>>>>> through doors.  I don't even think about it anymore.
>> > > >>>>>>> Tracy
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
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