[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Thu Apr 12 10:34:50 UTC 2012

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At 10:19 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>Laurel,
>    If one goes to our website
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>Fraternally yours,
>Marion
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>
>
>>I'll write you off list Larry.
>>
>>Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
>>group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
>>/smiles/
>>Laurel and Stockard
>>
>>On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in Ann Arbor
>>>and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting carreer
>>>change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>>>wouldn't want to retire her!
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>
>>>
>>>>No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>>>retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only five.
>>>>And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>>>is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't keep
>>>>him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>>>Can anybody help with this one?
>>>>Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
>>>>On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>>>>Thank you for this.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the
>>>>>list.
>>>>>I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking about
>>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>working dog.
>>>>>This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>>>All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of people
>>>>>who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
>>>>>Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>>>retired,
>>>>>it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>>>Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson
>>>>>in
>>>>>why ownership matters.
>>>>>Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are
>>>>>all
>>>>>able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>>>experience
>>>>>without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>Of Laurel
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>
>>>>>Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
>>>>>been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>>>ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
>>>>>help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>>>haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>>>subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>>
>>>>>As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
>>>>>thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>>>people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>>>won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
>>>>>on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
>>>>>You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
>>>>>the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>>>Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
>>>>>On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
>>>>>>talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
>>>>>>care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>>>>>>>their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>>>>>>>the school?
>>>>>>>If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>>>>>>>say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't
>>>>>>>tell
>>>>>>>you which one".
>>>>>>>Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of Laurel
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>>>>>>>to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>>>>>>>GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>>>>>>>going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>>>>>>>it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>>>>>>>aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>>>>>>>get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>>>>>>>months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>>>>>>>years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>>>>>>>not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>>>>>>>side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>>>>>>>while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>>>>>>>good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>>>months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>>>>>>>told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>>>>>>>send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>>>>>>>and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>>>>>>>to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>>>>>>>and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>>>>>>>that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>>>>>>>dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>>>>>>>any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>>>doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>>>>>>>that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>>>>>>>rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>>>>>>>keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>>>>>>>wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>>>>>>>health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>>>situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>>>>>>>to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>>>>>>>and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>>>>>>>somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>>>>>>>please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>>>Laurel and Stockard