[nagdu] an update on my friend

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Sat Apr 14 02:31:43 UTC 2012 

I heard and still get a lot of grief from folks when they find out AHolly 
and I came from Pilot!  Especially I'm just down the road from Leader!  But, 
having gone there, I found out that it wasn't like that.  They do have there 
issues but I for one am a satified customer!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend


> Hi Lyn,
>
> I don't want to start a school war or to say anything negative about 
> schools unduly.  But the other list I was on was wrought with dogs having 
> health issues and psychological issues way too young.  That is the only 
> reason I haven't applied there.
>
> Oh I can't say that.  Southeastern found out really quickly when I applied 
> there before they called me about Brooks, so it makes me nervous to apply 
> there again.  Especially since I've seen so many problems with dogs from 
> there from other lists.
>
> I mean no disrespect.  I'm just stating what I've seen.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>
>> Jennifer,
>> I will tell you from personal experience that TSE will judge you as they 
>> see you.  They do not just see or hear what another school has said and 
>> automatically say NO.  They will give all qualified people a chance to 
>> prove themselves.  Just be real clear in what you want in a dog so they 
>> can make the best match for you.  They realize that problems people have 
>> with some previous schools can occur for any reason - bad chemestry 
>> between individuals, bad chemestry between handler and dog.  People 
>> change schools for all manner of reasons and is not unusual at all.  TSE 
>> is very fair.
>>
>> Wherever you go, I hope you have a better time with them.  I personally 
>> have my reasons for atending TSE and I strongly support my school, but I 
>> also respect people's decisions to attend the school they feel is best 
>> for them.
>>
>> Glad you are going to try again.  Like I said, don't let the jerks get 
>> you down.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" 
>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Lyn for those kind and wise words.  I am going to go forward 
>>> with the application process at the school I've chosen.  I thought about 
>>> TSE, but when I applied there before Southeastern quickly found out 
>>> about it and that's when they manipulated me into going back there.
>>>
>>> I am afraid, frankly, of Southeastern putting a good old ugly spin on 
>>> what happened and the Seeing Eye just saying Nope, not going to deal 
>>> with that, cause I know they talk to each other.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I've got some thing I want to take care of before i go back to 
>>> school so I'm not in too much of a hurry.
>>>
>>> It'll happen when it's meant to.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jennifer,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the list.  I am Lyn with one n, and I am on my eighth guide 
>>>> dog. He is Landon, a six year old Lab/Golden cross from The Seeing Eye. 
>>>> I am 61 years old and live in San Diego.  I do pet assisted therapy 
>>>> with my dog and am active in my Democratic Party club.  I enjoy hanging 
>>>> out with friends, walking, reading, and many fun stuff.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know you, do not belong to the list where people abused you, or 
>>>> know any more than what Laurel posted on this list.
>>>>
>>>> I can see how much hurt you have gotten because of your misfortune and 
>>>> I am so sorry about that.  I want you to know that what happened to you 
>>>> regarding your dogs, does and can happen to any of us.  When you deal 
>>>> with living beings there's no guarantees as to what will happen with 
>>>> said living beings. Don't beat yourself up over it.
>>>>
>>>> In the 1990s, I had some problems with dogs and other things that 
>>>> caused some schools to reject me and this didn't stop me from getting 
>>>> great guides. I went to Seeing Eye and they judge people on what they 
>>>> see for themselves. They come to interview each prospective student in 
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> I've been around guide dog users and guide dog schools since the early 
>>>> 1970s and they all vary.  I am sure you will find a school that meets 
>>>> your needs that will provide you a good dog.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, take the time to take care of yourself and don't let the 
>>>> nasty folks get you down.  They are the ones with the problem - not 
>>>> you.  This behavior is part of "marginalized" behavior and I see it in 
>>>> many minority groups.  They feel that they can't attack the real enemy 
>>>> that oppresses them so they wind up attacking someone else that is 
>>>> "safe" - another one of their own.  In this case, a fellow blind guide 
>>>> dog user.
>>>>
>>>> I have been on this list for several years and I've not seen any real 
>>>> mean-spiritedness.  People will get hot at times in controversial 
>>>> topics and people have strong feelings but not meanness.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the list and post as you feel like doing.  We are very diverse 
>>>> and wwe learn alot from each other.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" 
>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:23 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the person Loral is talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> You won't hear much from me on this list because I just retired my dog 
>>>>> and with everything that has happened on the other list I'm just not 
>>>>> going to open my mouth or heart about anything.  My heart is too 
>>>>> broken and hurt to take that kind of stuff anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband has one of the messages I was sent, but I deleted the 
>>>>> second. I was not aware of the foul names or threats that were made 
>>>>> against me until Loral let me know about the messages she was sent.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I did subscribe to this list, but you 
>>>>> won't see me post.  I'm frankly too hurt, fragile, and afraid to get 
>>>>> retaliation from anyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you for your support and I'm interested to see what all of you 
>>>>> have to write about your wonderful guides.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell her to save those nasty messages. Odds are these people are just 
>>>>>> being mean, but their words could be considered threatening and she 
>>>>>> may need proof of these messages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of Laurel
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:25 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chantel, I know you have, but what you haven't seen is the private 
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> list posts that people from there have sent her. And usually, the 
>>>>>> GDUI
>>>>>> list is great, so please don't judge everybody on the list because of
>>>>>> the actions of a few, but it's almost like the Southeastern guides 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> many people from that list are trying to drive her out of the guide
>>>>>> dog community. In private posts that she has read to me and that 
>>>>>> she's
>>>>>> fowarded to me, people have called her names like "female dog," you
>>>>>> know what I mean, and all other names using cuss words. They have 
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> that she doesn't ever deserve another dog, that they will report her
>>>>>> to Southeastern, make sure her dog gets taken away from her, make 
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> she never gets a dog from another school again etc. It's just cruel.
>>>>>> They said she was flaming Southeastern and etc. It goes on and on. I
>>>>>> understand wanting to protect your school, but attaking somebody
>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>> Let's just let this be a reminder to us. We need to put ourselves in
>>>>>> other people's shoes and think how we would want to be treated, and
>>>>>> then treat people that way. We need to always remember, that even if
>>>>>> we disagree with the person's actions, or things that they are 
>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>> to treat them with love and respect. We need to realize that when
>>>>>> people get angry, and make comments that they can't sthand a school,
>>>>>> like she said about Southeastern, that they are hurting and angry and
>>>>>> that us reacting out of hurt and anger can only serve to further 
>>>>>> cause
>>>>>> more hurt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please everybody, remember this situation, pray for my friend, and
>>>>>> treat others as you'd wanna be treated. If you are a Christian like
>>>>>> me, then WWJD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard who really appreciates the support here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I am on the GDUI list and I've seen the posts! That's just plain sad 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] an update on my friend
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an update on my friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's still trying to figure out where to place her guide. I was
>>>>>>> disturbed to get a message on the phone saying that she's 
>>>>>>> unsubscribed
>>>>>>> from the GDUI list, that some of you might be on, and that she 
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> wanna join this one anymore. In fact, she's given up on getting a
>>>>>>> guide all together. Some people, namely from another list, not at 
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> from here, have said some very cruel and hurtful things to her 
>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>> list wide or privately and just put sault in her wounds. Other
>>>>>>> southeastern grads have ganged up against her too. She's really
>>>>>>> hurting and is really broken hearted, and I hurt for her. I'm sad 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> because of other people's hurtful spiteful comments it's causing her
>>>>>>> to just retreat and give up. I wanna repeat, nothing bad has been 
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>> to her from anybody on this particular list, it's all another list
>>>>>>> that we're part of. She called GDB and canceled her application. I'm
>>>>>>> just so sad right now, I feel like there's noting I can do to help 
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> and I wish I could ease the pain somehow. I wish people would put
>>>>>>> themselves in her shoes and think before they make personal attacks
>>>>>>> and hurtful comments to or about her. I'm just sad, and I had to 
>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>> with somebody. Please pray for my friend.
>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>
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