[nagdu] walking in to objects

Thu Apr 19 21:02:36 UTC 2012

Hannah, I'm coming into the discussion late, but does princess slow down, 
even a bit when you guys come to the narrow space?  That's one thing I have 
found with Katy; if there's a narrow space coming up she'll slow from our 
usual 2.8 mph to a crawl, so I know it's time to take stock of my 
surroundings.  This didn't come over night, but the more practice I gave 
her, the better she got.  This meant going out when I didn't feel like it 
and going to some of the same places again and again, but it did pay off.

1st Law of Procrastination: that which can be done will be done . . . 
TOMORROW!!
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects

> Julie,
> Thank you for the suggestion. I will try that. We did this sort of 
> training
> when I was at Pilot and she did super well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J.
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:43 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>
> Hannah,
>
> Can you set up obstacles to practice going around?  When I was training 
> both
> Belle and Monty I did this.  I picked things like an empty plastic trash
> can, a jacket dropped on the sidewalk, or a trash bag full of leaves.  I'd
> place them so I would know where they were and could praise Monty for 
> going
> around.  If he didn't the object was the sort that I wouldn't be injured 
> by
> running into it.  Although the empty trash can does make a load of noise,
> which goes a long way in reinforcing the concept to the dog.
>
>
> If the underlying problem is simply that she needs more practice or more
> training this should help.  If the problem is something more serious this
> approach probably won't make any difference.
>
> All my best,
> Julie
> On 4/14/2012 7:52 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>> Nicole,
>> My trainer usually yells at me to "stop" before Princess walks me in
>> to something. The rest of the people who have been telling me to "give
>> it more time" has not seen her do it though.
>> It seems like it's been happening every couple of weeks or so although
>> it's still pretty random.
>> We are bonding super well, and I know we will become a great team,
>> however I'm not sure what to do at this point because I don't know if
>> this will ever improve since the corrections don't seem to matter to
>> her, and I don't want to get seriously hurt at some point.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:35 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>> Has this trainer seen Princess bump you into things? Have any of the
>> people who keep telling you to give it time seen Princess bump you
>> into things? Is this a somewhat predictable behavior, or does it just
> happen at random?
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>
>>
>>> Rhonda,
>>> I'm not sure that can happen because I'm so far from Ohio, but they
>>> might let me go back to training. As I've mentioned before, I am
>>> working with a professional dog trainer right now and I'm not sure
>>> what else a trainer from Pilot could do.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of rhonda cruz
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:05 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>
>>> i think you should ask or a trainer. to come out, and work with you,
>>> hanna,
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Juanita,
>>>> It only happened a couple of times during training. I believe that
>>>> is mostly due to walking the same rout over and over again when the
>>>> dogs were being trained. However, I want to travel and I can't have
>>>> a dog that will walk me in to things every new place I go.
>>>> Hugs, Hannah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Juanita Herrera
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:19 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>> When I first got Anise, she had trouble clearing the right side so
>>>> at first I'd brush up against things, but correcting her firmly
>>>> helped a lot. Also, I only had Anise for 9 days before I went home.
>>>> My instructor said that if she didn't get better at clearing the
>>>> right side they would not send her home with me. I was terrified I
>>>> might have to go back to class. However, by the fifth day my
>>>> instructor and I began to notice significant improvement. They told
>>>> me that they were afraid I wasn't going to be able to take her home,
>>>> but thankfully it all worked out. My question is, if this was
>>>> occurring during training, why did they send her home? I mean, this
>>>> can turn into a dangerous
>>> situation, and your life can be at potential risk.
>>>> Take Care,
>>>> Juanita
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/12, Hannah Chadwick<sparklylicious at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> I highly doubt it. I have a mobility instructor here who used to be
>>>>> a guide dog trainer for over 10 years. He's suggested a few things
>>>>> and told me, "it'll take time". I feel like running in to things
>>>>> should not be occurring every couple of weeks...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:19 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Can Pilot send a trainer out there?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"<sparklylicious at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] walking in to objects
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> I know that bonding can take up to a year, but I also know that
>>>>>> Princess shouldn't be walking me in to things. I honestly don't
>>>>>> know what to do any more because I don't feel like correcting her
>>>>>> is enough and that after a while she forgets about it altogether.
>>>>>> Today I went to visit the University of Santa Cruz and we went on
>>>>>> a
>>> tour.
>>>>>> Princess for some reason walked me in to a pole and as usually I
>>>>>> corrected her. This has occurred a few times since I last posted
>>>>>> about it, and it's getting more difficult for me to trust her. I
>>>>>> don't feel safe walking at night or in the dark now, and it's a
>>>>>> horrible
>>>> feeling.
>>>>>> Any thoughts, suggestions, advice?
>>>>>> Best, Hannah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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