[nagdu] Brook's audition
Natalie
nrorrell at qwest.net
Sun Apr 22 22:54:57 UTC 2012
I'll be praying, Jenny.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:11 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Brook's audition
> Hi all,
>
> I got a call from someone who knew someone else that worked at my vet.
> She asked if she and her fiance could come and see Brooks tonight.
>
> they came and Brooks took to them like a duck to water. He even went on a
> walk with them without hesitation. He even went out the door before they
> did.
>
> I hope they decide to take him because they had such a repour with them
> from the beginning.
>
> They have to think about it though and get back to me.
>
> I don't think we'll have to do any transitioning with them as he really
> took to them and didn't have a problem leaving with them.
>
> I know that he'll have a hard time when he realizes he's not coming home.
> But if they take him, I'm giving them his bed and his kong that he likes
> to get treats in. I'll also give them his bowls as he refuses to drink
> out of anything that isn't a bonafied stainless steel doggy bowl.
>
> Pray they decide to take him. I think they're good people and they have a
> fenced in yard for him to run around in if he gets the urge.
>
> I know it may sound callis to you guys, but the quicker he can go to a new
> home. The faster I can get the grieving process started, and the let it
> take it's proper course. I would hopefully be able to be done grieving
> his loss before I went to get another dog.
>
> If they decide not to take him though, someone from my doctor's office
> today said that one of the office staff was looking for a dog but was on
> vacation, so there's another option if this one falls through.
>
> Pray they give me an answer soon.
>
> The longer the anticipation of his leaving takes, the harder it is. I
> don't want to be close to him because of the pain I know will come when he
> goes.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>
>> Hey Marsha,
>> Sounds like you had the same experience with GDB as a friend of mine.
>> There was nothing about any abusing a dog - she was going for her first
>> dog. GDB told her that she was "too busy and active for a dog". My
>> friend was a diabetes educator and she traveled around the country and
>> sometimes abroad to give lectures on diabetes care. She was a registered
>> nurse - from her sighted days - and became a diabetes educator after
>> blindness. She was well known and respected in her field. She was the
>> manager of the Diabetes Program at a local hospital. My friend got
>> rejected by GDB and went to TSE and got a great dog that THRIVED on the
>> very active life he lived with his mistress! My friend is now retired
>> and is working with her second dog and her life is more sane! LOL!
>>
>> I wonder why a school would tell a person that they are "too active" for
>> a guide dog? Isn't that what they want in an applicant - an active
>> person who will use the dog? I can see not accepting a person who never
>> goes out and has no mobility skills or one who is so busy that they don't
>> really want to make room in their life for a dog. But someone like you
>> or my friend? I don't get it at all.
>>
>> Yes, I was rejected by GDB and GDA because both schools preferred to
>> listen to unfound gossip spread by jealous people at my blind center.
>> And yes, they are a decent school with well-trained dogs. And I am very
>> happy with TSE.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth"
>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I had a bad experience with GDB. I got my first guide, heather from them
>>> in
>>> 2004. At the time I had just lost my vision, and was married to my ex
>>> husband. My ex-husband and I divorced in 2007. In those 3 years there
>>> were a
>>> lot of changes in my life and Heather's. We went from living in the burb
>>> to
>>> the inner city, from being driven in a car to riding public
>>> transportation,
>>> from being a stay at home mom. Walking my kids to and from school,
>>> working
>>> the guide in the grocery store and other short trips, to a full time
>>> student
>>> with a full time job. Those were the physical changes, the emotional
>>> toll it
>>> took on both of us was tremendous. After three years, she had no desire
>>> to
>>> work, she should have never been a guide. We had problems from the
>>> start,
>>> but I didn't know better. GDB listened to my ex-husband, in that I
>>> abused my
>>> Heather. I had to retire her, I could not take care of her, and so I was
>>> forced to return her. She was sent back, and I was never told, after
>>> asking
>>> many times what happened to her. Yes folks they believed my ex-husband,
>>> that
>>> I was abusing her. When I applied for a second guide, they said because
>>> I
>>> had abused Heather they would not give me another pup. In addition,
>>> because
>>> of my lifestyle, I was too busy and they did not have a dog who could
>>> keep
>>> up with me. I never abused Heather, nor have I ever Emma, my current
>>> guide.
>>> I applied to TSE, and was accepted, they knew what went on, and they
>>> didn't
>>> have any issues with it.
>>>
>>> So because I had that issue, doesn't mean I think they are a bad school.
>>> I
>>> even tell perspective guide dog users that the two best schools are GDB
>>> and
>>> TSE. I tell them that because those are the two that I know any thing
>>> about.
>>>
>>>
>>> So yes there are stories out there.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:38 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>
>>> Also, there seems to not be as many bad stories about GDB. Maybe we just
>>> have not heard about them. As I probably have said in previous threads,
>>> I
>>> have never heard of a case where GDB denied ownership.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> True. I told her about this and she also spoke with several GDB people
>>>> about it explicitly. She told me that she doesn't mind the waiting one
>>>> year to officially own the dog if it means that she can go to a school
>>>> that can work with her better, and treat her better than Southeastern.
>>>> She specifically discussed her situation with Southeastern with the
>>>> GDB staff, and told them about her needs for a dog, and because they
>>>> are willing to work with her and because she knows several handlers
>>>> from GDB she feels comfortable with it. Of course, if she changed her
>>>> mind it's ok too, but I think the biggest issue for her is just being
>>>> able to have a successful partnership and a school that will support
>>>> her.
>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>
>>>> On 4/12/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> You may want to explicitly remind her of the policy. I trust she can
>>>>> make
>>>>> her own decisions, it just sounds like a bad option given her
>>>>> experience.
>>>>> Remember, she had the same warm and fuzzy feelings about Southeastern
>>>>> and
>>>>> now she is devistated by the actions she believes them to have taken.
>>>>>
>>>>> A surefire way to prevent this is to only look at schools that give
>>>>> ownership right away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:58 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes she does, but GDB allows people to apply for ownership (for free)
>>>>> after they have been a team for 1 year. I own Stockard. /grins/ I
>>>>> think they do this just to make absolutely sure that if something goes
>>>>> wrong in the first feew months, they can do a dog swap or retrain. And
>>>>> that the person's not stuck with the dog if it doesn't work out.
>>>>> Usually, like 95% of the time, it's never an issue because the match
>>>>> is great! After a year of working with Stockard, I applied for
>>>>> ownership, the whole process took me all of 5 minutes, and she's my
>>>>> girl officially.
>>>>> I don't think Jenny, my friend, has a problem with that at all.
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> It's interesting that she chose GDB as they do not grant
>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>> upon graduation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does she know this?
>>>>>> GDB is a fine school. It just seems that given her experience, and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> it has upset her, she'd go to a school that granted ownership upon
>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:44 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much. She isn't having problems with this particular
>>>>>> issue anymore because she does own the dog. She just needs to find a
>>>>>> place to "place" him. She called me earlier this evening and has
>>>>>> decided to move foward with GDB. A GDB person called her back and
>>>>>> spoke with her and so she's going to move foward with that, which is
>>>>>> good. Her biggest problem now is finding a home for Brooks, and
>>>>>> dealing with the grief, anger and pain and spiteful comments from
>>>>>> others, as I've said before. I'll pass this on to her, and she wants
>>>>>> me to tell you that she really appreciates the support, and because
>>>>>> she's moving foward and planning to get a guide again, she plans to
>>>>>> join the list either tomorrow or Friday.
>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Here is the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights attached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:33 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you find the bill Marion?
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rebecca,
>>>>>>>>> the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights addresses this issue. In
>>>>>>>>> Section 4, entitled "Confidentiality", it states,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a. Individual consumers shall have the right to access any
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> of the information gathered or collected about them by the guide
>>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>> training program and contained in their files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:54 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can the NAGDU bill of rights address schools that share
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>> without sharing it with the person it concerns?
>>>>>>>>>> That seems wrong on so many levels.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:38 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>> There is another element to this issue. I know there are
>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would have no issue retaliating against a consumer by giving a
>>>>>>>>>> negative
>>>>>>>>>> evaluation should a person apply to another program. Some
>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> their records confidential even from the consumer, asserting the
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>> is "privileged", belonging to the program, not the consumer. I
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> is quite problematic and that information about an individual
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> accessible by the individual about whom the information concerns.
>>>>>>>>>> One way NAGDU is hoping to provide information about consumers'
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with training programs is through our
>>>>>>>>>> soon-to-be-released
>>>>>>>>>> Consumer Satisfaction Survey. This survey will allow consumers to
>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>> anonymous, confidential evaluations about their training programs
>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>> fear of retaliation. The survey questionnaire has been finalized
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> hoping it will be available online in the next month or so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>>>>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:56 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think a lot of us would like the same. The good and bad about
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> be aired out. The problem with this is that, not all people can
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> and bad with out being defensive about it, thus being very
>>>>>>>>>>> emotional
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> it. There are those guide dog users who are very very loyal to
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>> and will not admit that their school does any wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to keep an eye on this thread, as much as I would
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> that we should talk about the bad and the good, I do not want
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> become a bashing school list. So if we are going to discuss the
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> bad, people MUST be adults. I reserve the right to come in and
>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> thread at any point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So discuss away...
>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha, Moderator
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Laurel, just as an example, says she doesn't want to do school
>>>>>>>>>>> bashing,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I think many people feel this way, but, if people only give
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> positive parts of their experience with a school, and none of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> negatives, it doesn't give a true picture. If I were looking
>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>> training program, I'd want to know about bad experiences, as
>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>> For example, if more than a few people from school X end up
>>>>>>>>>>> returning
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> dog in less than 2 years, I'd want to know about that. If
>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> training were spent hanging around the mall, I'd want to know
>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was part of what I really liked about Gary's writing about
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>> experience--he wrote about the annoying stuff, as well as the
>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not interested in what happened to so-and-so 10 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> much interested in hearsay, either. "A friend of a friend...",
>>>>>>>>>>> nah.
>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the desire not to air dirty laundry in public; I
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>> But, in its darkest aspect, that's how abuse goes on--no one
>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>> anything about it. Not that I'm accusing any school of abusing
>>>>>>>>>>> students;
>>>>>>>>>>> it's just one end of a continuum.
>>>>>>>>>>> If someone has had a bad experience, I have no problem with them
>>>>>>>>>>> naming
>>>>>>>>>>> names. I don't think that's bashing; it's just letting other
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> can make informed decisions.
>>>>>>>>>>> And, if someone has something negative to say about my beloved
>>>>>>>>>>> school,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> promise to take a deep breath, not get defensive, and consider
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> they've said.
>>>>>>>>>>> JMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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