[nagdu] How would you respond?
Julie J.
julielj at neb.rr.com
Tue Apr 24 14:51:47 UTC 2012
Control is just an illusion. We all think we can control other people,
the situation, our dogs or whatever, but really all we can control is
ourselves.
Julie
9:26 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> Yes, because the thing is that you are supposed to be able to control
> your dog! You are supposed to do this under all circumstances. Those
> whom have pet dogs that do this can be sued and have to pay fines or
> in some circumstances go to jail! There is no excuse for letting your
> dog attack another dog! If its the dog fault, the handler should know
> his-her dog well enough to keep it out of those situations! If the
> dog was offleash, he gets what he gets! If not black listed then
> certainly observed very carefuly when next going through a training
> program! I know folks who have had guide dogs that value a little
> aggression. I don't believe in any aggressive dog who's handler can't
> control it. I'm suggesting that sence the dog and handler are both
> members of a team, they should know each other and how they will
> react! A new team might get some leanency because they might not know
> each other well but otherwise. This society puts down dogs who become
> aggressive to humans. The assumption I am making is that both parties
> should have had control of there dogs and the one who was the attacker
> should have been controlled! Nothing hard or complicated about that!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How would you respond?
>
>
>> Wow...this message sure is full of assumptions. The person should be
>> black listed because he or she received a dog which attacked another
>> dog. I do not think dogs are taught aggression. I think dogs will be
>> dogs, and it is very unfortunate that this happened, but in no way,
>> what-so-ever does that mean this handler should never have a guide
>> again. My first guide bit one of my pet dogs. I should probably
>> have never been given another dog, then, I suppose. I must have
>> taught her to bite. Shame on me.
>>
>> I am sorry this message comes off as rude, but I am really really
>> tired of people assuming it is the person's fault. We talk about
>> wanting to be treated fairly and equally by guide dog training
>> programs. We say that we are adults and should be treated as such,
>> and then, more than one person I have come across automatically
>> blames the handler. If I buy a new microwave, and I bring it home
>> and plug it in and it doesn't work, did I do something wrong? No,
>> there was a problem with the manufacturing of the product. If I
>> bring a dog home, and that dog does not guide effectively, or she
>> barks and/or growls at other dogs, that is not my fault, either. That
>> does not mean I should not work with the dog to improve the problems
>> if it seems they could be fixed, but the handler is not always
>> responsible for what the dog does or does not know. Please recall
>> that before a dog is matched with a blind person, the dog has had a
>> year and a half to two years growing and learning and having
>> experiences we will never know about. I am very disappointed in
>> people who would not wish to be treated in exactly the way they are
>> treating people who cannot defend themselves.
>>
>> Meghan
>> On 4/24/2012 4:45 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> Oh, thats bad! Guides are deffinetely not supposed to do that! I
>>> think both schools should be contacted and the case should be taken
>>> to court. I get the feeling that someone really relaxed there
>>> control of there dog! The attacker should be subject to the fullness
>>> of the law! And maybe even black listed with all of the schools!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson"
>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How would you respond?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> Both dogs were guides. What I do not know if they were both in
>>>> harness, but
>>>> both students were attending the blind skills training program and
>>>> had their
>>>> guides there as well.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 9:37 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How would you respond?
>>>>
>>>> I'd find out who the owner of the dog was. If there are state laws
>>>> addressing this issue, I'd have a visit with the police and file the
>>>> appropriate paperwork.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what I'd do about my own dog though. Probably take
>>>> it very
>>>> easy for a while. then very gently introduce calm, gentle dogs to
>>>> see how
>>>> it went.
>>>>
>>>> Or was the other dog also a guide? I wasn't exactly sure from your
>>>> description of things. I don't know that that would substantially
>>>> change my
>>>> approach, except that I might also let the program know that I was
>>>> filing a
>>>> report with the police.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 4/23/2012 5:51 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>>>> Another what would you do question, or maybe, how would you respond
>>>>> scenarios for you all to ponder. Many times, we hear of guides and
>>>>> other service dogs being attacked by other stray or uncontrolled
>>>>> dogs,
>>>>> rendering the attacked dog unable to continue in their line of work.
>>>>> Today, I learned from a colleague at work, that her son's good
>>>>> friend,
>>>>> who is blind and attending a formal blind training program, had his
>>>>> dog viciously attacked by another dog. The injuries were severe, the
>>>>> attacked was unprovoked and the trainers had to break up the fight,
>>>>> but the guide that was attacked, is now showing very serious signs
>>>>> of fear
>>>> and anxiety.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you do if you were the handler?
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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