[nagdu] Ismael not doing things right

Deanna Lewis deannakay03 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 21 16:19:01 UTC 2012 

Ramona,
I am glad to hear that someone from Seeing Eye is coming to work with you. I
hope that you all can fix the problem. I know how difficult it is when we
have issues as a guide dog team. I've had Pascal, my guide dog for a little
over 3 years. And I can't tell you how much visits from my Field Rep have
helped.
Wishing you the best. Keep us posted!
Deanna and Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ramona Davidson
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:56 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right

hello all, i had a long wonderful, talk with someone from tse today who saw
ismael and i in action last month when i was there and he is going to
attempt to get someone out asap, he agrees that someone should have been out
sooner. he also gave me allot of wonderful suggestions. he is also just as
shocked at ismaels actions as I am because he too knows ismaels layed back
all serious temprament and has seen how well we worked together during
training. I believe that that helps a little more than just reading a file
about someone you've never met. I feel like things are going in the right
direction now, and i'm somewhat relieved. some of the things he suggested I
am already trying and they are working so far.

On 8/20/12, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do have children; I just wasn't using a dog then. And I am just 
> saying from the perspective of what they are thinking; they should 
> have been out there two weeks ago. If clicker training work on the 
> dog, then she should continue using the clicker and reward system 
> along with taking the kid and see how that goes? Of course I'm no clicker
advisor LOL.
>
> CL
>
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>
>> Cindy,
>> I get what you're saying. It's just not practical. She's already done 
>> training and been away from her kid. Now her dog is screwing around 
>> and Seeing Eye says "do a lot of work without your kid to fix this".
>> That's not practical in a lot of cases. It's not fair to her or her kid.
>> It's time consuming.
>> It's a suggestion someone without kids would make since they don't 
>> generally get how things work once you have children.
>> I do understand your perspective that it takes time for a dog to 
>> settle in. This solution set for making that happen just isn't feasible.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:44 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>
>> Well, I see your point. I am only speaking from a personal experience 
>> that wasn't the exact same thing. When I got my first dog it was all 
>> has to be right immediately; subsequent dogs I didn't take this 
>> route. I do definitely agree it is a problem. I wasn't using a dog 
>> when I had a toddler, not even a grade schooler, so probably my 
>> comment comes off insensitive. I just feel slightly differently from 
>> how I did when I got my first dog. However, the real problem here is 
>> that they should have already had someone out to her place the first 
>> time she suggested there was a problem like this one. She's been home 
>> for three or four weeks now, and a lot of stress can happen in that
amount of time.
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>
>>> Right, but Seeing Eye's suggestion that she not have her kid with 
>>> her while this is being resolved is untennable. The kid is little so 
>>> she can't just leave him home unless she's got someone who can look 
>>> after him. And presumably she likes her kid, so likes having him 
>>> with her. If that's the solution Seeing Eye has, then no thanks on that
dog.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:04 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>
>>> I think that TSE did not suggest that she not bring her son with 
>>> her; I think their suggestion may have been for a little while to 
>>> work through the problem. I think the first mistake I made with my 
>>> first dog was that I expected that it was here for a reason, 
>>> therefore, it must do everything right immediately. I think if that 
>>> doesn't happen really soon, then the dog is for sure not the one for 
>>> me. But I do think that TSE needs to get on out there post haste.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>
>>>> First, you need to tell Seeing Eye they must come out or you will 
>>>> send the dog back. And you need to tell them that the suggestion of 
>>>> not having your son with you is untenable, you're a mom first and
foremost.
>>>> Nobody else would use a product designed to make their life easier 
>>>> if they were told "Don't have your kid with you when you use it".
>>>>
>>>> Since your dog is working well with food, I'd have the vet to a 
>>>> full workup to see if there is a medical issue aside from the ear
infection.
>>>> He may not be processing something in his food properly. Does he 
>>>> seem to be craving certain foods? That might be a clue.
>>>> Have the vet check thyroid function and insist on the full panel.  
>>>> Have them check blood sugar too.
>>>> If all this checks out, your dog may just not be right for working, 
>>>> either for you or at all. That's not your fault, these things happen.
>>>>
>>>> Know that you do not need to use this dog, nor should you bust your 
>>>> butt to do so. Your sanity and family come first.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Ramona Davidson
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:04 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Ismael not doing things right
>>>>
>>>> I am so stressed at this point i'm really not sure what to do.
>>>> ismaels guide work has been less than desirable as of late. last 
>>>> saturday i took him to the vet for an ear infection which is all 
>>>> cleared up now. we started having serious issues around that time, 
>>>> not going all the way to kurbs, extreme vearing when crossing 
>>>> streets, and just not listening to me. i chocked it up to the ear 
>>>> infection but gave tse a call anyway, they told me that i should 
>>>> probably not walk with my son for a wile to see if ismaels 
>>>> attention issue would clear up, so i was pritty sure my son was the 
>>>> distraction. a few days ago ismael started vearing extremely off 
>>>> course  i thought he was just asuming I was wanting to go to places 
>>>> we had been before so i worried about it but once again chocked it up
to my son being with us.
>>>>
>>>> today, I did some ONM on the college campus and my son stayed at 
>>>> home with his daddy. I would have to say this has been the worss day
yet.
>>>> wile crossing streets: I would feel him vearing and try to correct 
>>>> him but he wouldn't listen. then we decided to do the street 
>>>> crossing sighted guide and i did the sit, praze, good boy, tap my 
>>>> foot thing at the kurbs  and it didn't work. we showed him exactly 
>>>> where we wanted him to go and he still did not cross strate.
>>>> another issue, every time we would walk down the sidewalk and get 
>>>> up to the intersection instead of taking me to the kurb he'd cut 
>>>> the corner turn right and keep going down the street. i corrected 
>>>> him time and time again, took him to the kurb, made him sit, tapped 
>>>> it with my foot told him good boy, I must have done this about a 
>>>> million times, he still would not go to the kurb.
>>>> we then did some clicker training to the pole thinking that if i 
>>>> could at least get him to go to the pole  instead of going to the 
>>>> right than i could at least get my self the rest of the way to the 
>>>> kurb, as long as the treats were flowing and the clicker was out he 
>>>> went directly to that pole every single time, as soon as the 
>>>> training was finished he started zooming right past the pole again. i'm
so frustrated.
>>>>
>>>> I seriously want to bang my head against the wall right now. the 
>>>> onm instructor says I seem to be doing everything right and she 
>>>> says i need to get the seeing eye to come out but they keep  
>>>> blowing it off saying it's because we are still new, well i have 
>>>> tryed everything they suggested and still no change.
>>>>
>>>> is there anything i could be doing wrong??
>>>>
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