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> 1. Re: People food (Julie J.)
> 2. Re: People food (rhonda cruz)
> 3. Re: People food (Cindy Ray)
> 4. Re: People food (Tami Jarvis)
> 5. Re: People food (Sherrill O'Brien)
> 6. Exciting news! (Tracy Carcione)
> 7. Re: People food (Chantel Cuddemi)
> 8. Re: People food (Julie McGinnity)
> 9. something amazing Motley did (Chantel Cuddemi)
> 10. Re: People food (mary wurtzel)
> 11. Re: People food (Cindy Ray)
> 12. Re: People food (Cindy Ray)
> 13. Re: People food (Julie J.)
> 14. Re: People food (d m gina)
> 15. Re: Churches Revisited (melissa R green)
> 16. Re: My friends (melissa R green)
> 17. Re: People food (Mardi Hadfield)
> 18. Ultrasonic mobility devices (Tracy Carcione)
> 19. Re: Ultrasonic mobility devices (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
> 20. Re: Ultrasonic mobility devices (daniel)
> 21. Re: Ultrasonic mobility devices (Tracy Carcione)
> 22. Re: Ultrasonic mobility devices (Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC))
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> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:20:41 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't
> scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take
> advantage of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for
> example, the new shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open
> in the box and there was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to
> help get that cleaned up. then last nightI noticed him licking the
> floor. Apparently something was spilled earlier.
>
> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did
> have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a
> discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of
> weeks, but he's fine again.
>
> Julie
>
>
> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept of giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such things, and I have followed suit.
>>
>> CL
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> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
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> my vews about food.
> are different.
> mya only gets her dog food.
> and i try and keep her from looking for food.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>
>> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take advantage of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for example, the new shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open in the box and there was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to help get that cleaned up. then last nightI noticed him licking the floor. Apparently something was spilled earlier.
>>
>> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of weeks, but he's fine again.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept of giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such things, and I have followed suit.
>>>
>>> CL
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> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:29:45 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Well, I'm sure it all varies with dogs, and I'm sorry you wasted your fifth message on a response to mine. <Giggle> I think I may be up to five now, too, so my lips are officially sealed.
>
> CL
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>
>> I'm not saying he's perfect; he will snap up a French fry at the diner if
>> it's in his path.
>> But I do think rules make a difference. One rule is no begging. If he
>> begs, he gets nothing but a scolding. If he acts like he's not that
>> interested, he may get something. And he never gets anything inside an
>> eating establishment.
>> My rules may not have made him behave better when he's out, or they may
>> have. I don't really know. But they certainly haven't made him any worse
>> than he was when I got him.
>>
>> Now I've written my 5 messages, and have to shut up.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
>>> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find
>>> ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I
>>> ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that
>>> is essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough.
>>> And I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their
>>> beaks around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the
>>> concept of giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is
>>> just my view and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict
>>> about such things, and I have followed suit.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:57:17 -0800
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
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> Tracy and Julie,
>
> We do it the same way here. We have rules for the dogs about people
> food, and we have rules for the people to follow, too. So DD gives the
> people treats at random or when he is cooking or when they are being
> good under the table, whichever table. But the dogs have to be behaving
> and all that. I do the training treats for good behavior. Every now and
> then I break the rules for the people and give a bit of popcorn or
> whatever. We actually have 2 different tables and will also eat dessert
> or lunch or pizza or whatever on the couch. So the dogs have three sets
> of manners, depending on where we are eating. So everyone is happy. /smile/
>
> Mitzi has remained good in restaurants, except that now and then the
> beak gets going and I have to remind her to keep that nose front and
> center! I'm never sure if she is responding to smells or sights of food
> or to googly eyes and reaching hands from the table. But the "front and
> center" reminder seems to do the trick. She's very good about taking me
> to the correct table and going right under, which is nice. /smile/
>
> Tami
>
>
>
> On 12/05/2012 10:20 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't
>> scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take
>> advantage of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for
>> example, the new shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open
>> in the box and there was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to
>> help get that cleaned up. then last nightI noticed him licking the
>> floor. Apparently something was spilled earlier.
>>
>> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did
>> have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a
>> discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of
>> weeks, but he's fine again.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
>>> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't
>>> find ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only
>>> people food I ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a
>>> doggie latte that is essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope.
>>> The dog begs enough. And I've seen dogs that got people food go into
>>> places and wave their beaks around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD.
>>> I don't really get the concept of giving the dogs people food.
>>> Understand, though, that this is just my view and the man to whom I
>>> used to be married. He was very strict about such things, and I have
>>> followed suit.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:17:35 -0500
> From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
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> Julie and all,
>
> The list becomes controversial because we all have differing views on these
> things. I admit that for years I have given my dogs pizza crusts, and,
> selfishly, I enjoy this little ritual, though probably not as much as my
> dogs. But if I had a dog that was totally out of control in restaurants, or
> who put their head in guests laps while eating at my house, I would of
> course stop this practice. But, like Tracy and Julie, I have rules. No PC's,
> as we call them around here, during or immediately after the pizza is being
> consumed by humans. The dogs always get them before bed, which is their
> treat time. And I give them in one particular place, making the dog sit, of
> course. This has never translated into out of control lunging for pizza when
> we eat it away from home. My dogs get baby carrots, green beans and pieces
> of apple. The other tradition the dogs and I have enjoyed over the years is
> that we share the turkey giblets on Thanksgiving, if I've cooked the turkey.
>
> I think most of us know our dogs well enough to determine if giving people
> food will or won't cause bad behavior. I'm sure some schools frown on this
> practice, and probably trainers have varying opinions on the subject, just
> as the subscribers to this list. I've had dogs for more years than I care to
> divulge haha, and giving certain people foods at prescribed times and places
> has been a fun part of living with guide dogs. But I respect that
> others may not share this view, and think it unwise. But it is an
> interesting topic. As they say, in France and elsewhere, vive la diference!
>
> Sherrill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:21 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>
>
> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't
> scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take
> advantage of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for
> example, the new shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open
> in the box and there was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to
> help get that cleaned up. then last nightI noticed him licking the
> floor. Apparently something was spilled earlier.
>
> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did
> have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a
> discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of
> weeks, but he's fine again.
>
> Julie
>
>
> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find
> ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I
> ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is
> essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And
> I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks
> around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept of
> giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view
> and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such
> things, and I have followed suit.
>>
>> CL
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:39:14 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Exciting news!
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> Daniel G, you said you might have your interview tomorrow in a different
> city, where your college campus will be.
> I'm not sure that's really a good idea, unless you know the city fairly well.
> It's been a while since my interview with TSE, but they wanted me to walk
> around the neighborhood. They wanted to see how fast I walk, and how I
> handle my dog, which of course doesn't apply to you. I think they also
> wanted to see that I could choose a destination and direct my dog to it.
> They probably took notice that I can cross a street straight, and that I
> can come up to a curb without accidentally going around the corner (which
> I did in class, to my embarrassment).
> I'm not sure how well they could observe these things in an area you're
> not familiar with. If nothing else, speaking for myself, I tend to slow
> down in an unfamiliar area.
>
> Now I'm pretty sure I'm past my 5 messages, so I'll send one less
> tomorrow, and go away now.
> Tracy
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:19:27 -0500
> From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> Rhonda,
>
> I am the same way with Motley.
>
> He only gets his dog food and his treats I buy him and an occasional ice
> cube.
>
> If he tries to look for food, he gets a correction.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda cruz
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>
> my vews about food.
> are different.
> mya only gets her dog food.
> and i try and keep her from looking for food.
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>
>> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't
> scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take advantage
> of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for example, the new
> shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open in the box and there
> was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to help get that cleaned up.
> then last nightI noticed him licking the floor. Apparently something was
> spilled earlier.
>>
>> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did
> have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a
> discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of weeks,
> but he's fine again.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find
> ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I
> ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is
> essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And
> I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks
> around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept of
> giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view
> and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such
> things, and I have followed suit.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:20:07 -0600
> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> Interesting topic... I tend to agree with Cindy. I do not give my
> dog people food, but that is mostly because she has a sensative
> stomach. I'm afraid that whatever I give her will come back. I
> definitely think it depends on the dog and what you can live with. I
> agree that there should be rules if someone wants to feed people food
> to their dog.
>
> On 12/5/12, Sherrill O'Brien <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Julie and all,
>>
>> The list becomes controversial because we all have differing views on these
>> things. I admit that for years I have given my dogs pizza crusts, and,
>> selfishly, I enjoy this little ritual, though probably not as much as my
>> dogs. But if I had a dog that was totally out of control in restaurants, or
>> who put their head in guests laps while eating at my house, I would of
>> course stop this practice. But, like Tracy and Julie, I have rules. No
>> PC's,
>> as we call them around here, during or immediately after the pizza is
>> being
>> consumed by humans. The dogs always get them before bed, which is their
>> treat time. And I give them in one particular place, making the dog sit, of
>> course. This has never translated into out of control lunging for pizza
>> when
>> we eat it away from home. My dogs get baby carrots, green beans and pieces
>> of apple. The other tradition the dogs and I have enjoyed over the years is
>> that we share the turkey giblets on Thanksgiving, if I've cooked the
>> turkey.
>>
>> I think most of us know our dogs well enough to determine if giving people
>> food will or won't cause bad behavior. I'm sure some schools frown on this
>> practice, and probably trainers have varying opinions on the subject, just
>> as the subscribers to this list. I've had dogs for more years than I care
>> to
>> divulge haha, and giving certain people foods at prescribed times and
>> places
>> has been a fun part of living with guide dogs. But I respect that
>> others may not share this view, and think it unwise. But it is an
>> interesting topic. As they say, in France and elsewhere, vive la diference!
>>
>> Sherrill
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>>
>>
>> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't
>> scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take
>> advantage of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for
>> example, the new shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open
>> in the box and there was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to
>> help get that cleaned up. then last nightI noticed him licking the
>> floor. Apparently something was spilled earlier.
>>
>> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did
>> have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a
>> discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of
>> weeks, but he's fine again.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
>> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find
>> ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I
>> ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is
>> essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And
>> I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks
>> around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept
>> of
>> giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view
>> and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such
>> things, and I have followed suit.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
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> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind
> of Missouri recording secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:43:32 -0500
> From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] something amazing Motley did
> Message-ID: <AAF3957D65FA45E7B4CCF04FF7F081EA at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> HI all,
>
>
>
> Today, we worked a route here in my residential neighborhood, and somehow,
> Motley knew where to stop and turn to cross to head back home!
>
>
>
> What a good boy he is!
>
>
>
> He also led me beautifully around those sewer things and he didn't really
> need too many corrections!
>
>
>
> I am so proud of my poodle!
>
>
>
> Chantel and Motley
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:36:40 -0500
> From: mary wurtzel <marywurtzel at att.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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>
> Hello,
> As you may know from my posts about the Christmas tree, my Felix
> does like food and napkins the best of anything!!!
> Schwans does sell a doggie treat.
> Mary
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:06:37 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>
>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging
> for food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying
> he doesn't find ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food
> anyway. The only people food I ever give my dogs is carrots. At
> Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is essentially a small
> cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And I've seen
> dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks
> around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get
> the concept of giving the dogs people food. Understand, though,
> that this is just my view and the man to whom I used to be
> married. He was very strict about such things, and I have
> followed suit.
>
>> CL
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:27:19 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> I guess one of the things that really stuck for me was that our vet told my ex-husband that to feed the dogs people food is like our eating junk food when we eat the junk we eat, that it is formulated with dogs in mind. Now, of course, there are exceptions--veggies, rice and lean burger or cottage cheese if the dog is ill, etc. But by and large, our vets encouraged no feeding of people food to the dogs. I am sure that, just as dietary issues across the board are controversial in dietition circles, so it would be true with vets, etc.
>
> CL
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
>
>> Interesting topic... I tend to agree with Cindy. I do not give my
>> dog people food, but that is mostly because she has a sensative
>> stomach. I'm afraid that whatever I give her will come back. I
>> definitely think it depends on the dog and what you can live with. I
>> agree that there should be rules if someone wants to feed people food
>> to their dog.
>>
>> On 12/5/12, Sherrill O'Brien <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Julie and all,
>>>
>>> The list becomes controversial because we all have differing views on these
>>> things. I admit that for years I have given my dogs pizza crusts, and,
>>> selfishly, I enjoy this little ritual, though probably not as much as my
>>> dogs. But if I had a dog that was totally out of control in restaurants, or
>>> who put their head in guests laps while eating at my house, I would of
>>> course stop this practice. But, like Tracy and Julie, I have rules. No
>>> PC's,
>>> as we call them around here, during or immediately after the pizza is
>>> being
>>> consumed by humans. The dogs always get them before bed, which is their
>>> treat time. And I give them in one particular place, making the dog sit, of
>>> course. This has never translated into out of control lunging for pizza
>>> when
>>> we eat it away from home. My dogs get baby carrots, green beans and pieces
>>> of apple. The other tradition the dogs and I have enjoyed over the years is
>>> that we share the turkey giblets on Thanksgiving, if I've cooked the
>>> turkey.
>>>
>>> I think most of us know our dogs well enough to determine if giving people
>>> food will or won't cause bad behavior. I'm sure some schools frown on this
>>> practice, and probably trainers have varying opinions on the subject, just
>>> as the subscribers to this list. I've had dogs for more years than I care
>>> to
>>> divulge haha, and giving certain people foods at prescribed times and
>>> places
>>> has been a fun part of living with guide dogs. But I respect that
>>> others may not share this view, and think it unwise. But it is an
>>> interesting topic. As they say, in France and elsewhere, vive la diference!
>>>
>>> Sherrill
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:21 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>>>
>>>
>>> My views on people food are extremely similar to Tracy's. Monty doesn't
>>> scrounge for food when in harness. Out of harness he will take
>>> advantage of opportunities, but isn't a nuisance. Yesterday for
>>> example, the new shipment of dog food came. both bags had broken open
>>> in the box and there was a trail of kibble. Monty didn't hesitate to
>>> help get that cleaned up. then last nightI noticed him licking the
>>> floor. Apparently something was spilled earlier.
>>>
>>> When I had house guests who didn't observe the rules about food, I did
>>> have a problem with him being inappropriate around food. We had a
>>> discussion and the rules were strictly enforced. It took a couple of
>>> weeks, but he's fine again.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/5/2012 11:06 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
>>> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find
>>> ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I
>>> ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is
>>> essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And
>>> I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks
>>> around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept
>>> of
>>> giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view
>>> and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such
>>> things, and I have followed suit.
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind
>> of Missouri recording secretary,
>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:29:19 -0600
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> Schwans sells a doggie treat? I would say, though, that you would want to beware of what that really is. BTW, our dogs like napkins, cardboard, plastic bags, you name it. Weird. Not sure they do; they just get carried away, and they love to tear things to pieces. Napkins and klennex are good targets for it.
> CL
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:36 AM, mary wurtzel wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> As you may know from my posts about the Christmas tree, my Felix does like food and napkins the best of anything!!!
>> Schwans does sell a doggie treat.
>> Mary
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:06:37 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>>
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging
>> for food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that is essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough. And I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their beaks around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the concept of giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is just my view and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such things, and I have followed suit.
>>
>>> CL
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:40:58 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> Mary,
>
> When you mentioned the napkins, it reminded me of Belle when she was
> younger. She used to love to pull the tissues out of the box. she
> didn't really eat them or chew them up, she was just fascinated with
> them reappearing. I put the tissue boxes up for a good while. then
> when they were put back within reach she must have forgotten about all
> that fun. She hasn't bothered them in years.
>
> Oh, the joys of young dogs!
> Julie
> On 12/5/2012 2:36 AM, mary wurtzel wrote:
>> Hello,
>> As you may know from my posts about the Christmas tree, my Felix does
>> like food and napkins the best of anything!!!
>> Schwans does sell a doggie treat.
>> Mary
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:06:37 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
>>
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging
>> for food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he
>> doesn't find ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The
>> only people food I ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they
>> have a doggie latte that is essentially a small cup of whipped cream.
>> Nope. The dog begs enough. And I've seen dogs that got people food
>> go into places and wave their beaks around like a sweeper, and this
>> was a GSD. I don't really get the concept of giving the dogs people
>> food. Understand, though, that this is just my view and the man to
>> whom I used to be married. He was very strict about such things, and
>> I have followed suit.
>>
>>> CL
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:31:26 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> Rules hmmm what are rules giggle.
> My boys rules are this, if I see it I will eat it before it eats me.
> He snached a cracker off the sidewalk while I was trying to sit down
> with our packages we got from the mall.
> he truly knows how to dive, and takes full advantage when I am trying
> to do something else.
> I hate to see him have to wear the canny collar, but I will have to do it.
> I was hoping he would grow out of this each month we are together, but
> I think this is something he wil do all the while I have him.
> he gets plenty to eat.
> As the instructor said to me, foolish as far as I am concerned,
> I allow him to do this.
> I shared in reply, if I could see what he was going after, I wouldn't
> need my dog.
> Original message:
>> I'm not saying he's perfect; he will snap up a French fry at the diner if
>> it's in his path.
>> But I do think rules make a difference. One rule is no begging. If he
>> begs, he gets nothing but a scolding. If he acts like he's not that
>> interested, he may get something. And he never gets anything inside an
>> eating establishment.
>> My rules may not have made him behave better when he's out, or they may
>> have. I don't really know. But they certainly haven't made him any worse
>> than he was when I got him.
>
>> Now I've written my 5 messages, and have to shut up.
>> Tracy
>
>>> I'm not sure how your having rules keeps your dog from scrounging for
>>> food. I don't give my dog people food ever. I'm not saying he doesn't find
>>> ways. We have rules; he scrounges for food anyway. The only people food I
>>> ever give my dogs is carrots. At Starbucks they have a doggie latte that
>>> is essentially a small cup of whipped cream. Nope. The dog begs enough.
>>> And I've seen dogs that got people food go into places and wave their
>>> beaks around like a sweeper, and this was a GSD. I don't really get the
>>> concept of giving the dogs people food. Understand, though, that this is
>>> just my view and the man to whom I used to be married. He was very strict
>>> about such things, and I have followed suit.
>
>>> CL
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:10:39 -0700
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches Revisited
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> I don't have a problem with churches being unwelcoming to my dog. they love
> her because when we get up to leave when the bus comes early. She has to
> shake loudly to say goodbye. Church is also where she got completely out of
> her harnass as well. I think that if the puppy raisers/walkers take the
> dogs to church the church people become used too the dog and the dog gets
> used to the church atmosphere.
> That is what happened with Pj. I am sure that there are churches that won't
> welcome dogs.
>
> Many blessings,
> melissa and Pj
> At the center of your being you have the answer; you know who you are and
> you know what you want.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches Revisited
>
>
> The church I attend was super welcoming to my dog. They knew I was
> going to get a dog a few years ago, and no one reacted badly to me
> bringing her. Now my choir says that it wouldn't be the same without
> her. One of the members of our choir bought her a bed, which we put
> in the choir room. She comes on stage with me when we sing on
> Sundays, and everyone in the congregation love to watch her while we
> sing. :)
>
> A few months after I got her, she threw up on stage while the choir
> was singing. I was mortified. But everyone was so good about it.
> They just cleaned it up and then asked me if she would be ok.
> Although I'd like to forget that particular incident, people still
> come up to me and remind me of it. They think it's funny now. No,
> how about embarrassing?
>
> So yes, people in churches can be very very welcoming to dogs. I,
> like others on the list, would not go to a church where my dog was not
> welcome.
>
> On 12/3/12, Margo and Arrow <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I have only experienced positive responses to my guide dogs being in
>> church.
>> I know others haven't always fared so well.
>>
>> If a church doesn't want my dog or is negative, I don't want to be there
>> myself.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Monday, December 3, 2012 11:21 am
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Churches Revisited
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HI all,
>>>
>>> The church I attend has no issues with Motley being there.
>>>
>>> In fact, there is another guide dog user who brings their dog to that
>>> same church. Neither of us have issues.
>>>
>>> On 12/3/12, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>>> Larry that is tiriffic. I'm glad Holly is so welcome. I't is a nice
>>>> change
>>>> to hear positive responses to our dogs.
>>>>
>>>> Sheila Leigland
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> of Missouri recording secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
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> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:11:28 -0700
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] My friends
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> I completely agree with you.
>
> Many blessings,
> melissa and Pj
> At the center of your being you have the answer; you know who you are and
> you know what you want.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] My friends
>
>
> I am truly floored at the differences in laws from state to state. Here
> in Nebraska DUI has much more serious consequences from the first
> offense. Also if you are under 21 and show anything but .00 on a breath
> test it is a criminal offense. What happened to minor in possession or
> consumption of alcohol? I thought that was universally a criminal
> offense in all states? I hope the police officer gets his facts
> straightened out about the white cane law regarding guide dogs. It
> sounds like he was way behind the times on that one, telling them that
> because they were out crossing streets they were at fault. It's just
> ridiculous.
>
> Julie
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 23:29:23 -0700
> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] People food
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> Hi every one, Since I have owner trained all of my dogs with the help of a
> private trainer, I probably do a lot of things that the schools would frown
> upon. I do have rules for my dogs though, and I am pretty strict about
> them. I do give the occasional treat of people food,but it is never given
> in the restaurant or off the dinner plate. I wait until we have left and
> are out side.Even when I feed Shaman his food at home,he waits until I give
> him permission to eat it.I once forgot to tell him he could eat and about
> 10 minutes later he was still sitting in front his food bowl waiting to
> eat.I can only give ice cream to some of my dogs as not all of them can
> tolerate it.I started giving ice cream to my dogs in the summer as it does
> help to cool them down in the hot Arizona heat.Lily and Nala loved it and
> so does Shaman. I only give a table spoon of vanilla ice cream to them,and
> again it is never in side the restaurant.They don't get it often.That is
> why it is such a treat for them,because they know they only get it on a
> special occasion.Most of the time if I give a treat, it is a regular dog
> treat. My dogs seem to like Pupperoni and that is the treat that they
> receive most of the time when I am doing any training.I think that a little
> bit of people food will not hurt them but that is only my opinion, and I do
> respect the opinion of others as to what they want to feed their dogs. If I
> were out working my dog with a friend and their guide dog,and that friend
> did not feed people food or treats to their dog, I would refrain from doing
> so with my dog as I feel it would not be fair to give my dog something in
> front of the other dog.I also don't give my dogs things like bread or
> sweets like candy ect. I will give them a small piece of meat for a
> treat.They don't seem to like things like raw veggies although they will
> eat cooked carrots and green beans and sweet potato.They also seem to like
> Milk Bones.Shaman is on a special food diet because he has some allergies
> so I am careful to give him treats that I know he can tolerate.I do think
> that people should do what ever they feel is best for their dogs.Again,
> only my opinion. Have a great day, Mardi and Shaman and Neechee,GDIT.
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:35:16 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
> Message-ID: <b11a659fe4dda6ee7db4f3a097ca2be8.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
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>
> Has anyone used any of the sonic guides, those things that send out a beam
> and vibrate when they find an obstacle?
> I tried one many years ago, and found it a bit confusing, but I only had a
> couple minutes to try it, and think experience would have made it more
> clear.
> I'm looking at an ad for the IGlasses ultrasonic guide for a pretty
> reasonable price, if it's useful, but mostly I'm curious how useful it is.
> I'd be real interested in any experiences anyone has had with these
> things. For instance, perhaps one could use it to "see" some bushes
> coming up the dog might sniff, or to find a bench, when the dog is trying
> to lead one around the bench--that kind of thing?
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:42:40 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC78331399DB at TSEAMB02>
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> I did a science fair project involving ehse guides back in the mid 1990's.
> It was a fun project.
> What I remember is that the devices worked well. What they didn't do at all is show the difference between objects, a bush and a bench would appear to be the same thing.
> My concern for a dog user is that sometimes we want our dogs to find things. You would know that an object was coming up using one of these devices, but you probably won't know what it is, and you won't know what your dog will do. He may sniff the bench, or it may be a bench you want to sit on.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:35 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
>
> Has anyone used any of the sonic guides, those things that send out a beam
> and vibrate when they find an obstacle?
> I tried one many years ago, and found it a bit confusing, but I only had a
> couple minutes to try it, and think experience would have made it more
> clear.
> I'm looking at an ad for the IGlasses ultrasonic guide for a pretty
> reasonable price, if it's useful, but mostly I'm curious how useful it is.
> I'd be real interested in any experiences anyone has had with these
> things. For instance, perhaps one could use it to "see" some bushes
> coming up the dog might sniff, or to find a bench, when the dog is trying
> to lead one around the bench--that kind of thing?
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:48:47 -0600
> From: daniel <gutz2020 at gmail.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
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> I know my mobility an instructor and I were talking about getting a pair for me to try out, but we haven't gotten them yet.
>
> On Dec 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used any of the sonic guides, those things that send out a beam
>> and vibrate when they find an obstacle?
>> I tried one many years ago, and found it a bit confusing, but I only had a
>> couple minutes to try it, and think experience would have made it more
>> clear.
>> I'm looking at an ad for the IGlasses ultrasonic guide for a pretty
>> reasonable price, if it's useful, but mostly I'm curious how useful it is.
>> I'd be real interested in any experiences anyone has had with these
>> things. For instance, perhaps one could use it to "see" some bushes
>> coming up the dog might sniff, or to find a bench, when the dog is trying
>> to lead one around the bench--that kind of thing?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 12:45:40 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
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> Hi Rebecca.
> Really? I was wondering if one could use it to tell if a bus seat was
> entirely unoccupied, or if a table was unoccupied at the pizza place.
> Your experience would say no?
> Benny will point out a bus seat where one is empty, but I prefer an
> entirely empty seat so I can sit by the window and Ben doesn't get his
> paws or tail in the aisle.
>
> Tracy
>
>> I did a science fair project involving ehse guides back in the mid 1990's.
>> It was a fun project.
>> What I remember is that the devices worked well. What they didn't do at
>> all is show the difference between objects, a bush and a bench would
>> appear to be the same thing.
>> My concern for a dog user is that sometimes we want our dogs to find
>> things. You would know that an object was coming up using one of these
>> devices, but you probably won't know what it is, and you won't know what
>> your dog will do. He may sniff the bench, or it may be a bench you want to
>> sit on.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
>>
>> Has anyone used any of the sonic guides, those things that send out a beam
>> and vibrate when they find an obstacle?
>> I tried one many years ago, and found it a bit confusing, but I only had a
>> couple minutes to try it, and think experience would have made it more
>> clear.
>> I'm looking at an ad for the IGlasses ultrasonic guide for a pretty
>> reasonable price, if it's useful, but mostly I'm curious how useful it is.
>> I'd be real interested in any experiences anyone has had with these
>> things. For instance, perhaps one could use it to "see" some bushes
>> coming up the dog might sniff, or to find a bench, when the dog is trying
>> to lead one around the bench--that kind of thing?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:55:44 +0000
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
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> No, it didn't. It would tell you an object was there but not if it was occupied.
> I remember testing out a device called the Walkmatte which may or may not still be around.
> It had two ranges, an outdoor range (which was higher and farther) and an indoor range. You could approach an object say three feet ahead of you and two feet high and it would make a sound and/or vibrate. But you wouldn't know if it was a bush, a table, a bench. You also wouldn't know if someone was sitting on it.
> You might be able to tell a bus poll because those are narrow, but you'd have to walk past it to know this.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:46 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
>
> Hi Rebecca.
> Really? I was wondering if one could use it to tell if a bus seat was
> entirely unoccupied, or if a table was unoccupied at the pizza place.
> Your experience would say no?
> Benny will point out a bus seat where one is empty, but I prefer an
> entirely empty seat so I can sit by the window and Ben doesn't get his
> paws or tail in the aisle.
>
> Tracy
>
>> I did a science fair project involving ehse guides back in the mid 1990's.
>> It was a fun project.
>> What I remember is that the devices worked well. What they didn't do at
>> all is show the difference between objects, a bush and a bench would
>> appear to be the same thing.
>> My concern for a dog user is that sometimes we want our dogs to find
>> things. You would know that an object was coming up using one of these
>> devices, but you probably won't know what it is, and you won't know what
>> your dog will do. He may sniff the bench, or it may be a bench you want to
>> sit on.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Ultrasonic mobility devices
>>
>> Has anyone used any of the sonic guides, those things that send out a beam
>> and vibrate when they find an obstacle?
>> I tried one many years ago, and found it a bit confusing, but I only had a
>> couple minutes to try it, and think experience would have made it more
>> clear.
>> I'm looking at an ad for the IGlasses ultrasonic guide for a pretty
>> reasonable price, if it's useful, but mostly I'm curious how useful it is.
>> I'd be real interested in any experiences anyone has had with these
>> things. For instance, perhaps one could use it to "see" some bushes
>> coming up the dog might sniff, or to find a bench, when the dog is trying
>> to lead one around the bench--that kind of thing?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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