[nagdu] New Guide Dog User
matthew Dyer
ilovecountrymusic483 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 7 23:05:47 UTC 2012
Hi wamnieada,
Welcome to the list. My name is Matthew Dyer. I m going through the prosses of getting a dog myself. I will keep everyone posted on how that goes as things happen. Right now I have to fill out my medical forms with a doctor. I am going to take them with me as soon as I get in for my appointment. That is whare things are at the moment. For thoughes who are intrested I applied at pillet.
Matthew
On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Juanita Herrera wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> My name is Juanita and I received my first guide dog a month ago from
> Guide Dogs For The Blind at the Oregon Campus. My guide dog's name is
> Anise and she is a black lab. She is very calm, but can have her
> random outbursts of energy. She is only 20 months old, and when we go
> places she loves to look at people. She gets distracted easily by just
> looking around. Is that normal due to her age? Also, how long does it
> take until a guide dog team feel completely in sink with each other?
> Hope some of you pro guide dog users can help. *smile*
> Best,
> Juanita and Anise
>
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>> 1. Re: Update (Marsha Drenth)
>> 2. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>> 3. Re: Update (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 4. Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>> 5. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>> 6. Re: Getting a guide dog (Tami Kinney)
>> 7. Re: Getting a guide dog (Margo and Arrow)
>> 8. Re: Getting a guide dog (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 9. Re: Getting a guide dog (Sheila Leigland)
>> 10. flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 11. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>> 12. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Jessica Pitzer)
>> 13. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Sheila Leigland)
>> 14. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>> 15. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 16. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>> 17. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>> 18. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Cindy Ray)
>> 19. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 20. Re: Update (Jessica)
>> 21. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 22. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 23. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 24. Re: Getting a guide dog (Jessica)
>> 25. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 26. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 27. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 28. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 29. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 30. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 31. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 32. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 33. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>> 34. Re: Getting a guide dog (Julie J.)
>> 35. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (loriandleo)
>> 36. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (t21114 at optonline.net)
>> 37. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>> 38. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>> 39. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>> 40. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (William Vandervest)
>> 41. Re: Getting a guide dog (RJ Sandefur)
>> 42. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 43. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 44. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 45. Re: Getting a guide dog (Larry D. Keeler)
>> 46. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>> 47. Re: Getting a guide dog (William Vandervest)
>> 48. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Criminal Justice Major)
>> 49. My Adventure and Odie's new bone (Criminal Justice Major)
>> 50. Re: Update (Cindy Ray)
>> 51. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>> 52. Re: Getting a guide dog (Cindy Ray)
>> 53. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
>> 54. Re: flying, changes, and vet visit (Hannah Chadwick)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:02:18 -0500
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
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>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both of
>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups involved?
>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>
>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in PA, in
>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma and
>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>
>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>
>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Jessica
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>
>> Hi All
>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted. I'm
>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus. He
>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I even
>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused and
>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
>> doing well
>> Jessica
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:07:07 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
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>> Jessica, congratulations on that upcoming area. That will be a change. Last
>> time I was married I moved from a university town in Kansas to a tiny town
>> in Iowa, the opposite of you. Goodness, what a change. Now I'm in Des
>> Moines, quite a little busier. I know it will all go well for you there.
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Jessica wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>> I'm Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon
>>> campus. He is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am
>>> planning my wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog
>>> came from the same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous
>>> because am moving from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area
>>> but am excited to really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on
>>> our visits and I even think he works better when he is there. He just
>>> seems to be more focused and not as sniffy as when he walks down these
>>> roads at home. Hope everyone is doing well
>>> Jessica
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:57:51 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
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>> I here that DC is easy to get around/. My daughter attends Galludet out
>> there. Are Y'all going to make the dogs dress up as well?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:35 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted. I'm
>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus. He
>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I even
>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused and
>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
>> doing well
>> Jessica
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:57 -0500
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida. We
>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>> responcibility. RJ
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:38:10 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If you
>> are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a dog,
>> you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make transportation
>> easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you had a dog. If you
>> believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of responsibility, but if
>> you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for me it would seem you
>> should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you really feel about it
>> yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer for all blind people.
>> The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My husband doesn't use one
>> because he says he doesn't have the patience and would rather use a cane.
>> What it really boils down to is you need to consider the pros and cons; if
>> you don't want a dog then don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know
>> what they mean when they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do
>> what?
>>
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:38:53 -0800
>> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> RJ,
>>
>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry
>> that you have to put up with it.
>>
>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would
>> love that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I
>> prefer dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as
>> hassles. /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse
>> from staff at the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a
>> cane afterwards was making the original injuries worse by leaps and
>> bounds, and there was no way I could ever hope to start getting the
>> injuries healed while using a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those
>> injuries and other events at the time I was there brought my old
>> fibromyalgia out of remission -- or caused a whole new onset, as it
>> seems to me -- I needed to deal with the travel problem and became
>> physically unable to even *think* about the rigors of a guide dog
>> program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she proved to have "the right
>> stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/ I had tons of training
>> experience since I was too young to remember, so I knew I had the right
>> stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I still sometimes find
>> myself going about with my super duper poodle guide and feel suddenly
>> shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>
>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling brown
>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh,
>> my! Who needs it?
>>
>> That's my story.
>>
>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions. Remembering
>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain maddening!
>>
>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on the
>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest
>> of it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>
>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you will
>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it out
>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better options.
>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to
>> deal with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug.
>> If they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do,
>> fine. People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't
>> think anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going
>> to risk my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But
>> she can't do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive
>> non-law-abiding drivers with no protection between us and them. Sooner
>> or later... So. That's my decision. If I make the wrong decision to
>> please someone else, they won't be haunted for the rest of their broken,
>> crippled lives by what they let happen to a really great dog, will they?
>> Nope!
>>
>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play in
>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to make
>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>
>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often
>> and said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>
>> You're doing well!
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:07:33 -0500
>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <64B360ED52734989A98711C938DF2AEF at margoda7a829ca>
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>>
>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I was
>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>
>> margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>>
>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you
>>>
>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer
>>>
>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My
>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience and
>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>>
>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>>
>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:09:09 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> RJ,
>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and yes
>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from Pilot
>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can get
>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you should
>> probably wait.
>> Best, Hannah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of RJ Sandefur
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida. We
>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:24:13 -0700
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> Hi rj I got a dog partially because my husband thought it would be a good
>> idea, but mostly I got one because we lived in a neighborhood where the
>> corners aren't straight across from each other and I was having trouble
>> crossing streets straight and people tended to park boats across their
>> driveways and my cane slipped underneath one and I hit it at chest level. I
>> still knows how to use a cane but enjoy the companionship with a dog.
>>
>> sheila leigland
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:27 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <000201cce527$4f312d90$ed9388b0$@suddenlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her a
>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this
>> morning because I got very worried.
>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>> Cheers, Hannah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:35:12 -0500
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <B09A299BFDD24E7BA307D57EAC1D3BE8 at hometwxakonvzn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use of a
>> guide
>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel. Mr.
>> Sandefur
>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>> experience, he
>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>> travel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to accomplish
>> his goal of
>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to no
>> longer pursue
>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up to
>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to apply
>> for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I supposed
>> to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future? My mentel
>> health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I was
>>>
>>> always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>
>>> margo and Arrow
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want
>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>>>>
>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you
>>>>
>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't
>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say
>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I
>>>>>
>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>>
>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is
>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:37:17 -0500
>> From: Jessica Pitzer <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>> the rice.
>>
>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her
>>> a
>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>> this
>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:40:20 -0700
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <auto-000045192255 at fe-3.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Our vet recomends cutting way back on food and over a few days gradually
>> increase to the amounts she is use to. Changes of water and routein can
>> interfere with their systems for a while. Make sure she is drinking water
>> though
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:39:57 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <E35983A8-C9C1-4AEB-88BB-CAD4F4FE9CB2 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I would do
>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but I've
>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that and, at
>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food as
>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her
>>> a
>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>> this
>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:48:56 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <000401cce529$e43af270$acb0d750$@suddenlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yes, she has been drinking lots and lots of water!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:40 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> Well, first of all, your trainers are talking about normal times. I would do
>> what the vet said. Not sure why boiled chicken and cottage cheese, but I've
>> used cottage cheese and I've used lean hamburger. You give them that and, at
>> least what I did, was gradually rework in the regularly scheduled food as
>> the dog seemed to be better.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I got
>> very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to having.
>> What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:04:15 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <25C969D157174B5FB1F6AFE8A9852A32 at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me, because
>> i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations, and i
>> personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and scaled
>> friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:09:48 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <CF213EEF259748EBADCE6E31D96FAD54 at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust your
>> vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once you take
>> the dog home
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:10:50 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <679B261F-B6F5-4B6A-8D9B-87E64C41D92D at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I think what William has said here is good advice.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:09 PM, William Vandervest wrote:
>>
>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once
>>> you take the dog home
>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:36:00 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <64281422A75447F0B6E91BDF5C5A34EC at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal. Well,
>> sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much faster
>> with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run with
>> Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big deal!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida. We
>>>
>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>> responcibility. RJ
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:37:02 -0500
>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>> Message-ID: <11E4FC18C0FB4007B1B240B53FA7B1BE at jessicasearsPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi All
>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump other
>> doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me after I
>> get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in Orlando for 3
>> years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home town before
>> getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>> Jess
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both of
>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>> involved?
>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>
>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in PA,
>>> in
>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma and
>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>
>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>
>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Jessica
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>> I'm
>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus. He
>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>> even
>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused
>>> and
>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
>>> doing well
>>> Jessica
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>> Message: 21
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:38:42 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <D8ACDFC3CB6F4865A2BBA15BE2AB3FA8 at yourec0540d030>
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>>
>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't get a
>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to it!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want a
>>>
>>> dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how you
>>>
>>> really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the answer
>>>
>>> for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind people. My
>>> husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the patience and
>>> would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you need to
>>> consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't get it.
>>> It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say you
>>> aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>>
>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>>
>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>> Message: 22
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:09 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <4C6554F919D0499BB17B523B03B4675E at yourec0540d030>
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>>
>> Tami, you just wanted to look like a poodle! RJ, at least you don't have to
>> take the cane out to poop when its well below zero outside! Oh, I forgot,
>> it never does that down in the everglades!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> RJ,
>>>
>>> Good grief! What a nightmare people are making for you! I am so sorry that
>>>
>>> you have to put up with it.
>>>
>>> In short, I chose guide dog because I just love dogs and knew I would love
>>>
>>> that way of travel over cane. I'm a good cane traveler, but... I prefer
>>> dog. Because I love dogs, I don't see all the hassles and all as hassles.
>>> /smile/ Also, my decision was made for me by physical abuse from staff at
>>> the Oregon Commission for the Blind headquarters. Using a cane afterwards
>>> was making the original injuries worse by leaps and bounds, and there was
>>> no way I could ever hope to start getting the injuries healed while using
>>> a cane to go everywhere. Sigh. Because those injuries and other events at
>>> the time I was there brought my old fibromyalgia out of remission -- or
>>> caused a whole new onset, as it seems to me -- I needed to deal with the
>>> travel problem and became physically unable to even *think* about the
>>> rigors of a guide dog program. So I got me a poodle pup and when she
>>> proved to have "the right stuff," just up and trained her myself. /smile/
>>> I had tons of training experience since I was too young to remember, so I
>>> knew I had the right stuff, too, but it was a pretty daunting project. I
>>> still sometimes find myself going about with my super duper poodle guide
>>> and feel suddenly shocked. How'd that happen? /lol/
>>>
>>> As an owner-trainer, I know all about getting, um, strong-smelling brown
>>> stuff over every decision you make to do with dogs canes socks... Oh, my!
>>>
>>> Who needs it?
>>>
>>> That's my story.
>>>
>>> Your story is your story. Your decisions are your decisions. Remembering
>>> that when everybody else is telling you what your story is according to
>>> them and what you should do based on the life and times they have so
>>> kindly invented for you is not easy. In fact, it is just plain maddening!
>>>
>>> Your reasons are yours. They reflect your reality. And most of us on the
>>> list can easily remind you that you have been gathering information to
>>> make the best decision for yourself for quite a while. If you wish to
>>> stick with your cane at this point in your life -- or for all the rest of
>>> it -- that is *no one's* choice but yours.
>>>
>>> Oh, and when you live in a place with no sidewalks and no safe place to
>>> walk where traffic won't mow you down... Even with a guide dog, you will
>>> need a ride. Trust me, I go nuts over being in that position every day.
>>> /lol/ It's just a regular item on my to do list so that I can get it out
>>> of my system and get on with my day so I can give myself better options.
>>> /grin/ If people want to grump at me about my decisions about how to deal
>>> with what exists in the real world, I just smile blandly and shrug. If
>>> they want to go risk their lives doing what they think I should do, fine.
>>> People die out there, and they have sight and everything. I don't think
>>> anyone else's approval is worth dying over, and I'm sure not going to risk
>>>
>>> my dog. She's got great traffic training and is a total pro. But she can't
>>>
>>> do magic with a road full of crazy, inattentive non-law-abiding drivers
>>> with no protection between us and them. Sooner or later... So. That's my
>>> decision. If I make the wrong decision to please someone else, they won't
>>> be haunted for the rest of their broken, crippled lives by what they let
>>> happen to a really great dog, will they? Nope!
>>>
>>> Don't know if that attitude of mine is helpful for you, but I got it a
>>> long time ago from someone very wise. If someone tells you to go play in
>>> the freeway, and you do it because they want you to and you want to make
>>> them happy... They don't get run over. You do. /smile/
>>>
>>> Best to you! Sooner or later, you can get to a point where you are
>>> surrounded by people who respect and support you for who you are. It is
>>> not always easy, though, as I also know. And it's really tough when the
>>> pressure is so much and you hear the same thing over and over so often and
>>>
>>> said so strongly and reinforced so heavily that you doubt yourself.
>>>
>>> You're doing well!
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 02/06/2012 01:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>>
>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>>
>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:42:14 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <76F70DF180B8461EB814D667D8FF0C55 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> How's it going with Princess anyway?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> RJ,
>>> I got a guide dog because I was ready to take on the responsibility and
>>> yes
>>> it is a huge one at that. I recently (three days ago) graduated from Pilot
>>> Dogs with my guide and already I've had to take her to the vet. It can get
>>> expensive and if you do not feel like you are ready, then I think you
>>> should
>>> probably wait.
>>> Best, Hannah
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of RJ Sandefur
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We
>>> do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven to
>>> church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to stop
>>> making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler,
>>> they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and
>>> they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do
>>> not have the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only
>>> just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:41:56 -0500
>> From: "Jessica" <anewheart0910groups at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <1FAE387A60FE41C59A2E51B25E5EA326 at jessicasearsPC>
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>>
>> Hi
>> Knowing your area as good as I do I will say it is not a dog area. There are
>> no sidewalks and no transpo. I will say a dog is a huge responsibility but
>> for me it is worth it every time he gets me around things, licks my hand, or
>> even puts his paws on me to say lets play. When I got a dog I will be honest
>> in saying I had no clue what I was in for. The first 6 months were
>> definitely stressful on both of us but we worked hard through and am so
>> blessed to have him. Think hard about the choice and no that is not an
>> excuse you are making. Though some schools pay for some vet care most
>> require you to put it out first before getting refunded later. It is all up
>> to you and only you know inside what is best for you. Good luck.
>> Jess
>> Jess
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 25
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:49:32 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <F2F9145478A64DE8B1E323FAF60F4330 at yourec0540d030>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when we go
>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce she
>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic job,
>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's due
>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her the
>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave her
>>>
>>> a
>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well despite
>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>> this
>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because it
>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about this
>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage cheese
>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 26
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:52:12 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <000601cce532$baec36f0$30c4a4d0$@suddenlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I just wanted to
>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me everyday. She's
>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly had some
>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so. Also, when we go
>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much. Se4nce she
>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave
>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to
>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday
>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk
>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had been
>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>> got very worried.
>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again that
>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used to having.
>> What do you all think?
>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 27
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:53:08 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <E248AD4EC6E74C3E8CF395C5A4039FB4 at yourec0540d030>
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>>
>> You'll know! Just don't let others tell you what you need! I have seen
>> folks who think they need a dog because they're doctors tell them that's
>> they should have! However, they're mobility skills are not gode and some
>> don't even like dogs!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> Here is what my mobility instructor said in his report.
>>> Preparation for guide dog - Mr. Sandefur had training to simulate use of a
>>>
>>> guide
>>> within the context of residential travel and semi-commercial travel. Mr.
>>> Sandefur
>>> found the orientation very challenging and after reflecting on his
>>> experience, he
>>> has since decided that he prefers the use of a long cane to guide dog
>>> travel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Recommendations: Mr. Sandefur will need additional training to accomplish
>>> his goal of
>>> commercial travel. It should be noted that Mr. Sandefur has decided to no
>>> longer pursue
>>> his goal of guide dog preparation. Some people at church feel I gave up to
>>>
>>> soon, and that I didn't try heard enough. My family has told me not to
>>> apply for a guide dog because I'd just be wasting my time, but how am I
>>> supposed to know if I'm really ready to repsue this again in the future?
>>> My mentel health said that I have trouble ajusting to new things. RJ
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> Even if you're good with a cane but prefer a dog, that's fine, too. I
>>>> was always a good cane user but prefer a dog.
>>>>
>>>> margo and Arrow
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want
>>>>>
>>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if
>>>>> you had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot
>>>>>
>>>>> of responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you,
>>>>> for me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch
>>>>> how you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is
>>>>> the answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>>>
>>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is
>>>>> you need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then
>>>>> don't get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when
>>>>> they say you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them
>>>>>> I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making
>>>>>> excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in
>>>>>> order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do
>>>>>> you as guide dog users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> check ups. It is an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>> Message: 28
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:55:58 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <4389FF66D4F84F1090039553D1440AD9 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and dump!
>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm not
>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>> the rice.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job,
>>>> and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe it's
>>>> due
>>>> to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc. I gave her a
>>>> couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me not to feed her
>>>> the
>>>> night prior to coming home, but she threw up on Friday night when we got
>>>> back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her milk bone treats and gave
>>>> her a
>>>> couple on that day because we had been super busy and she did well
>>>> despite
>>>> all the changes. However, on Saturday night she started having very soft
>>>> stool and by yesterday, she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet
>>>> this
>>>> morning because I got very worried.
>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice and
>>>> boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days because
>>>> it
>>>> will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little hesitant about
>>>> this
>>>> because my trainers mentioned again and again that we shouldn't feed them
>>>> anything besides the food they are used to having. What do you all think?
>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese
>>>> or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they have been
>>>> eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 29
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:08 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <91E8F75953C443A5A0BA051DA3DE03E9 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> I know you bill! You got a dog just so you could have a friend that would
>> have to listen to you!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> hi, the only person i listened to when deciding to get a dog was me,
>>> because i'm the only one who truely knows my abilities and limitations,
>>> and i personaly have always loved all our 4 footed, feathered, finned and
>>> scaled friends (except for roaches, YUCK)
>>> thats my story, and i'm stick'en to it lol
>>> just make the decision on whats best for you and nobody else
>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 30
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:06 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <000801cce533$8d9d2280$a8d76780$@suddenlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she did
>> when we got home.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and dump!
>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm not
>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>> the rice.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>> got very worried.
>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 31
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:01:24 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <B7B8725372124235A8F42E96C943FA01 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly because
>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and beggars!
>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog treats
>> always and of many types!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school once
>>> you take the dog home
>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 32
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:08:07 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <000a01cce534$f413f330$dc3bd990$@suddenlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yeah I've definitely noticed that. Do you think Princess got sick from the
>> milk bones? I mean she's never had them before... the Petco grooming salon
>> people seem to think it's the milk bones that made her have diarrhea...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:01 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> Pilot in particular really is against people food for dogs. Partly because
>> some folks open that door and there dogs get to be real porkers and beggars!
>>
>> Niether of those things is all that good! But, I do slide Holly an
>> occasional beef jerky, carrot or other treat about once a month. Dog treats
>> always and of many types!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> like they told me before i brought Lynard home from Leader, just trust
>>> your vet, he/she iscloser to the situation then those at the school
>>> once you take the dog home William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>> Message: 33
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:13 -0500
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would think
>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run
>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a big
>>>
>>> deal!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell me
>>>> they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee Florida.
>>>> We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to be driven
>>>> to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are telling me to
>>>> stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I am a cane
>>>> traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a huge
>>>> responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses. Am I
>>>> making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care for a
>>>> guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog users
>>>> think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an
>>>> animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 34
>> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:58 -0600
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <4F3080B2.5010300 at neb.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> RJ,
>>
>> I think it doesn't matter what I think! *smile*
>>
>> Whether or not you get a guide dog is totally, completely all you. You
>> are the one who is going to have to train with the dog, take care of the
>> dog, clean up poop and foot the bills. You are also the one who would
>> be traveling with the dog. If you feel you would prefer to work a dog
>> than use a cane, then go for it. If not, just say no.
>>
>> I have no idea why your family or mobility instructor don't feel you
>> would benefit from a guide. That is an entirely different issue
>> though. Some family members get upset by the idea of guide dogs because
>> they feel the dog will do the job they used to do. Some mobility
>> instructors feel guide dogs are only for totally blind people or blind
>> people with poor O&M. That isn't true though. I am a very good cane
>> traveler as are many of the people on this list. And I know people who
>> are really not so great with a cane and do not want a dog. It really
>> comes down to personal choice.
>>
>> Good luck with whatever you choose,
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/6/2012 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made
>>> you decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both
>>> tell me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in
>>> Okeechobee Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I
>>> practually have to be driven to church, the store etc. Others from
>>> people at church are telling me to stop making excuses, and get a
>>> dog, but when I tell them I am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not
>>> trying. I tell them it is a huge responcibility, and they tell me
>>> that it is just me making excuses. Am I making excuses? I do not have
>>> the finational means in order to care for a guide dog. I'm only just
>>> making excuses. What do you as guide dog users think? I would have to
>>> feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is an animal, and it is a
>>> responcibility. RJ _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 35
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:40:09 -0500
>> From: "loriandleo" <loriandleo at ohiohills.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <011101cce539$e9e50a20$2cdbe504 at o4r3f1>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Hannah,
>>
>> I'm so glad Princess did so well on the flight home. Now as far as Princess
>> goes I would follow the recommendations of what your vet told you to do.
>> Good luck and I hope Princess feels better soon. Take care.
>>
>> Lori and the Gipper
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 36
>> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:53:58 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: t21114 at optonline.net
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <e651ecee2a7fb.4f308436 at optonline.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> hi Hannah,
>> Glad you trip home with Princess was good. Just be patient with her as
>> everything is new to her and she doesn't know what's going on. New place and
>> new people.
>> Marilyn and Anna
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hannah Chadwick
>> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:53 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>
>>> Yeah, I'll start feeding her the recommended food tonight. I
>>> just wanted to
>>> know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.
>>> Otherwise, Princess is doing great and continues to amaze me
>>> everyday. She's
>>> so aadorable! *grin* :)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:50 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>> If the vet recommends it, well that's what I would do! Holly
>>> had some
>>> issues when we got home but they only lasted a week or so.
>>> Also, when we go
>>> somewhere for the weekend, sometimes Holly wouldn't eat much.
>>> Se4nce she
>>> drinks, I don't worry about her because she scarfs when she gets home!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hannah Chadwick"
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'"
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:30 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a
>>> fantastic
>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life
>>> *smile*.> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much
>>> and I believe it's
>>>> due to all the changes - time difference, new environment,
>>> etc. I gave
>>>> her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>> not to
>>>> feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>> Friday
>>>> night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>> milk
>>>> bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>> been
>>>> super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However,
>>> on
>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by
>>> yesterday,
>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning
>>> because I
>>>> got very worried.
>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on
>>> white rice
>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few
>>> days
>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a
>>> little
>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and
>>> again that
>>>> we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>> to having.
>>> What do you all think?
>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and
>>> cottage
>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food
>>> they
>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 37
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:07:53 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <7B2E2A14BC7048C0BA7B341D4C654721 at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there glades
>> lol
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 38
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:11:22 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <F0B7E49242F24C78ADBCB3D45BE332F8 at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 39
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:12:05 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <2A902EDA07834170B923047BF1A5148B at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> bite me lolol
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 40
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:14:11 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <E0296F5BC609475DBB33E60BF96A4264 at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 41
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:16:43 -0500
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <777EA0DE56CB46B49D8106AF668A0DE9 at hometwxakonvzn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Gaters love them some human, and guide dog on top of that if you're not
>> carefull RJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there glades
>>>
>>> lol
>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 42
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:20:47 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <05B78F64214A4E7AB5B3C2625678BA05 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Well, the dog is normal! The sniffer is online!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> Princess loves to sniff everywhere and that's the very first thing she did
>>> when we got home.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Larry D. Keeler
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:56 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>> First thing Holly did, when we got home was run in my sons room and dump!
>>> No, she had been out but when we got back, it rained for 3 days and I'm
>>> not
>>> sure if she was nervous or if she just didn't feel like going out in the
>>> rain! But, that stopped really quick!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would do the chicken, it will definitely help her tummy, and in 2 or
>>>> 3 days you can start slowly start mixing the science diet back in with
>>>> the rice.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/12, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Flying back to California with Princess was easy; she did a fantastic
>>>>> job, and you would have thought she's done that all her life *smile*.
>>>>> Since we got back, Princess hasn't been eating much and I believe
>>>>> it's due to all the changes - time difference, new environment, etc.
>>>>> I gave her a couple of saltine crackers because my trainer asked me
>>>>> not to feed her the night prior to coming home, but she threw up on
>>>>> Friday night when we got back. I went to Petco on Saturday to get her
>>>>> milk bone treats and gave her a couple on that day because we had
>>>>> been super busy and she did well despite all the changes. However, on
>>>>> Saturday night she started having very soft stool and by yesterday,
>>>>> she was having diarrhea. I took her to the vet this morning because I
>>>>> got very worried.
>>>>> The vet said everything's ok, and that I should put her on white rice
>>>>> and boiled chicken mixed with low-fat cottage cheese for a few days
>>>>> because it will help her stool go back to normal. I feel a little
>>>>> hesitant about this because my trainers mentioned again and again
>>>>> that we shouldn't feed them anything besides the food they are used
>>>>> to having. What do you all think?
>>>>> Should I go ahead and give her rice with boiled chicken and cottage
>>>>> cheese or should I keep her on science diet (which is the food they
>>>>> have been eating)? I would love to hear feedback!
>>>>> Cheers, Hannah
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 43
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:22:58 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <9432D2FC6DFA426D83D7028ED48870B6 at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Well, isn't Lynard a labragator?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> yea, but Larry, you need to remember, they got gaters in them there glades
>>>
>>> lol
>>> William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 44
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:23:33 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <1AAD8255744E4128B5D1FB0917EABDCC at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Not!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>>
>>> what a how-d-do, bet he loved that William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 45
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:24:04 -0500
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <41DB924FDAAC41FEBBB3C546CB38178A at yourec0540d030>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> I'll leave that to Lynard!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>
>>
>>> bite me lolol William And LD Lynard
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 46
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:27:33 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <599BF7133C3E49FB834201E5005F4AF7 at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> labrigater or labricarpet depending on what time it is lol
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 47
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:30:26 -0500
>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <10485F40135247109F447BF097331A8A at Babylon5>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> he don't bite, he just licks and licks and licks lol
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 48
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:58:07 -0700
>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>> Message-ID: <FEFFCF640DEC457696CF8FE3C390ABB3 at bibi>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi, Hannah,
>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken and
>> cottage cheese.
>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and Granny
>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on the
>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the can
>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small amount.
>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the skin
>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and chop
>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft for the
>> dog to digest.
>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if your
>> vet recommends it.
>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it and it
>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup of
>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll tell
>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on what
>> they have to say.
>> They will get to know your dog more.
>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very rich
>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with brown
>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he had
>> constant gas.
>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to it so
>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings or
>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with your
>> vet.
>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and the
>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>> medical alert service dog
>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 49
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:07:54 -0700
>> From: "Criminal Justice Major" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Subject: [nagdu] My Adventure and Odie's new bone
>> Message-ID: <906BE1D47AF34A6F85FE2F2559703AA1 at bibi>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi, all,
>> Today was my adventure outtside, especially after being kept indoors for
>> over seventy-two hours, three days.
>> My friend Amanda Dreher and I both left our working dogs at home and took
>> the plunge upon the challenge that lie ahead of us.
>> That challenge was having to climb over big mounds of snow drifts that were
>> everywhere.
>> Even when I went outtside to catch the route38 bus, I had to climb over the
>> large snow bank and stand in the gutter to wait for the bus.
>> Once the bus pulled up, I flagged the driver down to indicated I wanted him.
>> While out and about, I bought Amanda her birthday present which was a box of
>> chocolate Truffles from cee's Candy and then did another purchase at Petco.
>> I ended up buying some nature's Miracle to have around in case Odie were to
>> have another indoor accident or get sick.
>> I ended up buying him a bone filled with peanutbutter filling on the inside.
>> He loves those kind of bones and enjoys licking the inside filling out of
>> it.
>> It also does help keep his teeth clean, the outtside part as when he is
>> chewing on it, the scraping will get the tardor off.
>> Of course, Dale and I still brush his teeth with using a small amount of
>> baking soda by turning it into a paste.
>> He doesn't like that, but at least it helps prevent build up or vacteria in
>> his mouth.
>> I usually don't buy a bone on a continuous basis, but will get Odie one once
>> in a great while.
>> He has plenty from Dog Savvy that are organtic and a few from Petsmart that
>> have sweet potatoe filling on the inside.
>> Thankfully, I won't have to venture back out again until Thursday.
>> I'll admit that the February, 2012 is the worst blizard for its time as of
>> right now.
>> Still, I'm greatful for all of that snow to help clean the air up.
>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>> medical alert service dog
>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 50
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:39:21 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>> Message-ID: <E84F2944-445A-4FC7-ADE4-BA68B240F218 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Hmmm, that conjures up picts. But would your dog do that while in harness at
>> the wedding? LOL.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Jessica wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>> The doggies will not be in the wedding as my dog sort of likes to hump
>>> other doggies. Gdb is going to work on this when they come to work with me
>>> after I get settled there and have a bit of mobility haha. I lived in
>>> Orlando for 3 years while I worked at a hotel but moved back to my home
>>> town before getting my doggie. Thanks all for the responses.
>>> Jess
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:02 PM
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update
>>>
>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the update. Congrats on the upcoming wedding. Since both of
>>>> you have guides, will you all be having the wedding with your pups
>>>> involved?
>>>> More curious, sorry if its too personal. I am assuming your going to be
>>>> moving to D.C., well welcome to the northeast!
>>>>
>>>> I am Marsha, working my 6 yo GSD from Seeing Eye. Emma and I, live in PA,
>>>> in
>>>> the greater Philadelphia area, with my husband and kitty, Gracie. Emma
>>>> and
>>>> I, are full time students at Temple University.
>>>>
>>>> If you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha, Co-Moderator
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jessica
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> As I was going through message it has been a while since I have posted.
>>>> I'm
>>>> Jessica and have Saunders. He is a yellow lab from GDB's Oregon campus.
>>>> He
>>>> is a cuddle bunny but then can be totally hyper. Right now am planning my
>>>> wedding. I am getting married in April and my fianc?'s dog came from the
>>>> same place but is 4 years older than mine. I am nervous because am moving
>>>> from a small town in Fl to Washington Dc's metro area but am excited to
>>>> really put Mr. Saunders to work. He has done great on our visits and I
>>>> even
>>>> think he works better when he is there. He just seems to be more focused
>>>> and
>>>> not as sniffy as when he walks down these roads at home. Hope everyone is
>>>> doing well
>>>> Jessica
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>> Message: 51
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:40:10 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> Well, I didn't want one either, but when I did decide my decision wasn't
>> based on if anybody thought I needed one or not. The decision was fully
>> mine, and I got it because of pain in my hands.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy, before I got Holly, everyone would always ask me why I didn't get a
>>> dog! I just didn't want one at the time and that was all there was to it!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> First of all, I think it is your call if you want a dog or need one. If
>>>> you are good with a cane, then you should continue using it. If you want
>>>> a dog, you should have one. I'm not sure how the dog would make
>>>> transportation easier unless you would feel more confident walking if you
>>>> had a dog. If you believe that's true, a dog is good. Dogs are a lot of
>>>> responsibility, but if you love dogs and feel it is worth it to you, for
>>>> me it would seem you should consider getting a dog. I didn't catch how
>>>> you really feel about it yourself. A lot of people think the dog is the
>>>> answer for all blind people. The dog is not the answer for all blind
>>>> people. My husband doesn't use one because he says he doesn't have the
>>>> patience and would rather use a cane. What it really boils down to is you
>>>> need to consider the pros and cons; if you don't want a dog then don't
>>>> get it. It's not an excuse and I don't know what they mean when they say
>>>> you aren't trying. You aren't trying to do what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:38 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I
>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is
>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>> Message: 52
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:48:45 -0600
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
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>> Vets are familiar with guide dogs. They sometimes think they are really
>> amazing; they are just well trained and some of their staff is more apt to
>> think that. Some people really think because the dog is a dog it robotically
>> does the things you want it to do, but it is still a dog.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:16 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
>>
>>> Why do the schools tell people guide dogs arn't robots? This I would think
>>> is a no brainer. How do you expline to a vet, about your dog? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my case, I just like dogs! I find the responsibility no big deal.
>>>> Well, sometimes the money is squeezed a bit! I find that I can move much
>>>> faster with a dog. I already move pretty good with a cane but I can run
>>>> with Holly! But, if you don't want the responsibility that could be a
>>>> big deal!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Getting a guide dog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have a questions for everyone on the list. What was it that made you
>>>>> decide to get a guide dog? My Family and mobility instructor both tell
>>>>> me they do not see a need for me to have one. I live in Okeechobee
>>>>> Florida. We do not have any public transpertation. I practually have to
>>>>> be driven to church, the store etc. Others from people at church are
>>>>> telling me to stop making excuses, and get a dog, but when I tell them I
>>>>> am a cane traveler, they accuse me of not trying. I tell them it is a
>>>>> huge responcibility, and they tell me that it is just me making excuses.
>>>>> Am I making excuses? I do not have the finational means in order to care
>>>>> for a guide dog. I'm only just making excuses. What do you as guide dog
>>>>> users think? I would have to feed the dog, take it for check ups. It is
>>>>> an animal, and it is a responcibility. RJ
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>> Message: 53
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:51:01 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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>> William,
>> I don't believe she's ever had milk bones before...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of William Vandervest
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:14 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> did she ever have milk bones at the school?
>> William And LD Lynard
>>
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>> Message: 54
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:56:10 -0800
>> From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
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>> thank you Bibi! This is definitely helpful *smile*.
>> All the best, Hannah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Criminal Justice Major
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:58 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] flying, changes, and vet visit
>>
>> Hi, Hannah,
>> Yes, it is all right to feed her the white rice whith boiled chicken and
>> cottage cheese.
>> Dogs can eat that directly.
>> Other types of human foods they can have are Golden Delicious and Granny
>> Smith's apples, fresh carrots, green beans, spinach and bananas.
>> They can also have baby snack sized carrots.
>> When dealing with the fresh carrots and green beans, peel the skin on the
>> outtside off and chop them into tiny pieces.
>> If you should use canned carrots, sweet peas and green beans, open the can
>> halfway to drain the preserves liquid out before giving them to her.
>> Same thing goes with canned spinach.
>> If you prefer the frozen peas and spinach, give her a very small amount.
>> As for the Golden Delicious and Granny Smith's apples, just peel the skin
>> off on the outtside, remove the core in the middle with the seeds and chop
>> it into small pieces for her to chew on.
>> Avoid giving her red apples as they are extremely sweet and too soft for the
>> dog to digest.
>> Bananas are also good because of the patasium, (paticium) but only if your
>> vet recommends it.
>> As for the science diet, if you choose to stick with that food, be very
>> careful with it as it is very rich on the dog's stomach.
>> This means that if you were to do a test with the food by soaking it and it
>> turns into a gravy like substance, it's really rich.
>> With foods that are rich, the dog would only be able to have a half cup of
>> the food unless you mix it up with another dry dog food.
>> Yes, it's true depending on the trainer that trains your dog, they'll tell
>> you something different, but my advice is always listen to your vet on what
>> they have to say.
>> They will get to know your dog more.
>> Odie has a sensitive stomach, so he can't have anything that is very rich
>> where it will turn into a gravy like paste.
>> I learned the hard way as back when he was eating Blue Buffalo with brown
>> rice, chicken and sweet potatoe, it tore his stomach up bad to where he had
>> constant gas.
>> He continued to eat the food, but I had to add another dry dog food to it so
>> he wouldn't have that awful mash potatoish stool.
>> Although I'm sure others on the list may have different views, feelings or
>> opinions, I still say definitely stay on top of communicating with your
>> vet.
>> Yes, stress can be a major factor for when it's a new environment and the
>> best you can do is give her time to adjust.
>> I've worked with guide dogs off and on for almost twelve years.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Bibi, husband Dale and Odie
>> medical alert service dog
>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>
>>
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