[nagdu] Promulgating the Myth

Wed Feb 29 03:50:47 UTC 2012

Hi everyone.

I have not finished reading the braille monitor, but I have found it
interesting.  Some of the arguments(both for and against) are very
well forumlated, but some aren't good at all.  I was 5 years old at
the time this was published and did not know anything about this
issue, but I think it's safe to say we've grown a lot since then.
>From reading about the guide dog division(or what's there to read
about it from the braille monitor), it seems that we've changed a lot.
 I also think that things within the federation with relation to guide
dogs and the perception of guide dog users will continue to change as
we change the general perceptions of blindness.

Nicole, feel free to email me off list.  I'd love to hear your opinion
on the matter!

On 2/28/12, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> In Marion's original post, he did not mention the organization in question.
> We can not be sure that the below organization is the group that has claimed
> we do not like guide dogs. Let's keep names of organizations out of the
> picture here okay? We are the NFB NAGDU list. We would not like it if
> someone came and bashed us on this list, nor should we do any bashing of any
> other organization. It is obvious that we do like guide dogs, that we do
> have a guide dog division, and that is what we should be promoting, not who
> dislikes us because of a supposed rumor. Your welcome to take organizational
> discussions off list, if you like.
>
> Marsha, co-moderator
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:47 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>
> ACB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>
>
>> And what organization thinks that it is in their best interest?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:52 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Promulgating the Myth
>>
>>
>>> Juanita,
>>>    The reason there is the impression that the NFB is anti guide dog is
>>> that it is in the best interest of another organization to promulgate
>>> that myth. In support of this contention, they point to an issue of the
>>> Braille Monitor in which there was a very frank discussion of some very
>>> serious issues experienced at one of our national conventions involving
>>> several guide dogs. I was at that convention and know that the issue had
>>> a very serious impact on the image of the NFB as it related to the
>>> hospitality industry, causing us to have challenges securing venues and
>>> decent rates for our convention. This incident and these discussions led
>>> to the current policies we have concerning leaving our dogs unattended in
>
>>> guest rooms during NFB-sponsored events.
>>>    The NFB is supportive of whatever method of independent travel one
>>> wishes to use. The National Association of Guide Dog Users is one of the
>>> strongest, largest, and fastest growing divisions in the movement!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> 813-626-2789
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Juanita Herrera" <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Michigan Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why do people get the impression that the NFB is antiguide dog? I've
>>>> heard that a lot, and I just found it strange because even my NFB
>>>> chapter president has a guide dog himself. Why do people forpulate
>>>> their own ideas?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Juanita And Anise
>>>>
>>>> On 2/27/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Larry & William,
>>>>>     Well, technically, I'm from Michigan - Bay City/Essexville! (smile)
>
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> in Tampa, Florida now! I'll bet there are quite a few guide dog users
>>>>> in the
>>>>> Great Wolverine State, we just need to shake them out of the woods! One
>
>>>>> of
>>>>> the challenges is letting guide dog users know that the NFB is not anti
>>>>> guide dog, as they are led to believe by those in whose best interest
>>>>> it is
>>>>> to say such things and helping them understand why we need them in our
>>>>> movement. Michigan has some laws that are not congruent with the ADA
>>>>> that
>>>>> need revising and a Michigan NAGDU division is the best option to
>>>>> create
>>>>> these changes. Your affiliate leadership is very supportive of
>>>>> organizing a
>>>>> division, we just need to get the ball rolling.
>>>>>     How about we schedule a conference call and spread the word about
>>>>> it
>>>>> throughout the state! Pick a date 3 - 4 weeks from now, any day but
>>>>> Thursday, and I will help you get it started. If you want to chat about
>
>>>>> it,
>>>>> please give me a call. My contact information is below my signature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:55 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I'm hoping to find!  I'm getting ready to talk to the Ohio
>>>>>> Association and see if they'll let us wonderful folks from up here
>>>>>> join!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i'm just curious, but are there any people on this list from Michigan
>>>>>>> (aside from Larry and myself)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Life Hands You A Lemon, Make Lemonaid
>>>>>>> William And LD Lynard
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