[nagdu] Inclusive discussion

Margo and Arrow margo.downey at verizon.net
Sun Jul 8 17:23:17 UTC 2012 

that is very true.  Inclusion is one of the few things that's either or and 
not some of both.

Margo and Arrow
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From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
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> There is no "partial inclusiveness", however.  You are or you are not
> inclusive.  If you are "inclusive" the others fall into line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 04:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Inclusive discussion
>
> So, they all really do work together in an optimal situation...
>
> Diversity Inclusion and Cultural Competency
>
> Cultural Competency
>
> Cultural Competency is a system in which the alignment of behaviors,
> attitudes, and policies allows organizations to perform more effectively 
> and
> individuals to interact most respectfully. Cultural Competency is a 
> dynamic
> state where efforts are continuous in order to maintain the integrity of 
> the
> environment.
>
> Diversity
>
> Diversity is the presence of difference in areas such as race, gender, 
> age,
> ethnicity, physical ability, sexual orientation, economic status, 
> education
> level, geographic origin, and religion amongst other things. The presence 
> of
> diversity can enhance collaborative work or projects and contribute to an
> optimal work environment. The differences and similarities among diversity
> should be recognized, celebrated, and respected.
>
> Inclusion
>
> Inclusion is the continual process of embracing the diversity individuals
> bring to an organization. In an inclusive environment they are comfortable
> expressing their ideas and creativity, and are aware of their value added 
> to
> the organization. Inclusive environments are supportive, engaging,
> empowering, welcoming, and collaborative.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:45 PM
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> Not if you are going to classify yourself as "inclusive".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 01:16 PM
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>
> Michael, then at which point, and I am assuming that this is an important
> value/concept, does cultural competency come into play.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:51 PM
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> Subject: [nagdu] Inclusive discussion
>
> Margo,
>
> I choose "inclusion" to describe a state of being precisely because you 
> are
> "inclusive" or not.  If you wish to say you, or an organization is
> "inclusive", then you are or you are not.  You can't decide you are
> inclusive if you determine that one class or another is not worth thinking
> about.  If you leave out any group of people then you are not truly
> "inclusive".
>
> I just searched Google for a definition of "inclusive" and found this:
> "Inclusive means something that does not leave any part or group out."
> There is no middle ground.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
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> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] understanding vs. respect
>
> Michael, this is precisely why I discourage people from using the term
> "diversity".  Now I know Julie used it because that's what the training 
> was
> called.  I'd like to see "inclusivity training" or some other term using 
> the
> word "inclusion" or "inclusive" or some other derivation for this type of
> training.  Now, having said that, people can forget and exclude a group 
> from
> being included because a group is not thought of as important enough or
> credible enough or worldly enough to be included.
>
> I truly believe that we are not included in varous trainings or group
> situations because it is thought that we wouldn't have jobs, we're being
> taken care of, we're not out in the world, what do the blind know anyway, 
> we
> couldn't live without our doggies, we are to be pitied.  I think to teach
> inclusion is to not only teach what groups are to be included and that all
> people are included and how to include all people, but, respecting
> others--what does tha mean in the inclusion process?
>
> Margo and Arrow
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>
>
>> Margo,
>>
>> That is why "Diversity" is such an inappropriate term to use when
>> discussing bringing all "different" groups together.  Last year I
>> wrote a speech I often give called "Moving From Diversity to
>> Inclusion".  If a group or a person is "inclusive" then there is no
>> room for leaving out anyone or you are using the term incorrectly.
>>
>> Last October I conducted a workshop at a group discussing and
>> promoting "Diversity".  During the morning keynote speech the speaker
>> did not once mention disabilities as a part of the diverse range of
>> groups who are left out of society.  So, Margo, you are right in your
> observation.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 09:30 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] understanding vs. respect
>>
>> Has anyone noticed that in diversity training or sensitivity training,
>> the disabled are often excluded or glossed over, including no
>> education about service animals?
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] understanding vs. respect
>>
>>
>>>I agree with both of you.  Julie, your experience with diversity
>>>training  is similar to mine.  I'm happy to learn about other
>>>cultures, but the  whole thing seemed pretty phony.  And I'll take
>>>respect over  understanding  every time.Just respect me as an adult
>>>fellow human, and we're good.
>>> Understanding may follow, but, even if it doesn't, it doesn't matter,
>>>since, if you respect me, you'll either figure I have the brains to
>>>work  things out myself, or you'll ask if I need a hand.
>>> And Buddy, I too don't see it as my mission in life to educate
>>>everyone I  meet about blindness.  I reckon just getting on with my
>>>life ought to be  enough. If they harass me, I'll explain the law or
> whatever, but mainly
>>>   I have places to go and things to do.
>>> Tracy
>>>> Julie,
>>>>
>>>> Right on, right on, right on! I'm sure some of my fellow blind folk
>>>> will take issue with this, but I'm so over educating the public.
>>>> Look what good it's done for us, your conference coordinator being a
>>>> shining example.
>>>> Darn it all, we don't need education. While ignorance is curable,
>>>> there's plenty of education to be had, should people care to have
>>>> it, and it doesn't have to come from me. It's time that we quit with
>>>> this belief that our lot in life is to be the ambassador for every
>>>> stink in blind person out there and by god just live our lives and
>>>> do our things. But it's also time that we demand the respect due us
>>>> as human beings.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 8:08 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wrote a bit about this a couple of weeks ago, but I've been
>>>>> thinking more on the topic ...I know scary!  LOL  Anyway I attended
>>>>> this diversity training seminar last spring.  It was a part of a
>>>>> larger training event on drug/alcohol prevention and not something
>>>>> I would have attended separately.  anyway the presenter talked
>>>>> about education and understanding different cultures and whatnot.
>>>>> There was a lot of emphasis on what she called cultural competency,
>>>>> which I took to mean being educated about various cultures.
>>>>>
>>>>> the whole time I'm sitting there listening to this presentation I'm
>>>>> thinking about the conversation we had about my hotel reservations.
>>>>> This particular presenter was the coordinator for the conference.
>>>>> She made the hotel reservations for many of the attendees because
>>>>> the sponsoring agency was covering the hotel.  It's much easier to
>>>>> do the paperwork that way.  Anyway she knows I'm blind and that I
>>>>> have
> Monty.
>>>>> she also knows I can walk up and down stairs and whatnot.  Still
>>>>> she informed the hotel that I needed a first floor room and that
>>>>> I'd be accompanied by a guide dog.  she also assured the hotel that
>>>>> I'd be no problem that I was quite independent.  I have no words to
>>>>> express my feelings about this statement.  Unimpressed is about the
>>>>> nicest thing I can say.
>>>>>
>>>>> So back to diversity training...she's talking about understanding
>>>>> and education and how important it is to know all about other
>>>>> people of various cultures, races, disabilities etc.  Immediately
>>>>> after this lecture we have a break where no less than three people
>>>>> come up to me to ask inappropriate questions or to pet Monty
>>>>> without asking.  Honestly I'm not opposed to answering questions,
>>>>> but when I'm engaged in a different conversation and you interrupt
>>>>> to ask how much I can see, well it's just rude.  It was at that
>>>>> moment that I realized that I don't give a crap about education or
>>>>> understanding or cultural competency or whatever you want to call
>>>>> it.  Sure if people understood, I mean really got it, about
>>>>> blindness that would be grand.  I don't need that though.
>>>>> What I really, really want is respect.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
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