[nagdu] Chinese Restaurants.

[Lyn Gwizdak]

Yeah, Larry, this is true and it is a pain and can ruin your evening out. 
AND IT GETS OLD!  BUT just leaving without followup complaint just emboldens 
the place to continue the behavior of discrimination.  Imagine if the Civil 
Rights activists of the 1960s had this attitude - just leaving the lunch 
counter quietly - Jim Crow and Whites Only stuff would STILL be in place.

You can tell them that you are following up the issue, leave and go 
elsewhare but file a complaint later.  But to just leave and not do anything 
about the situation just causes more problems for ourselves and the next 
people with service dogs that come after us. Doing otherwise allows people 
to CONTINUE to treat us as second-class citizens and that is TOTALLY 
UNACCEPTABLE!  At least it is for this aging activist!

I'm not saying it is OK to do this in a rude, uncivilized fashion.  Yes, 
education is needed but we do need to stand our ground.  We grow up with 
knowing that ignorance of the law is no excuse.  well, I feel the same for 
foreigners who run businesses in this country.  If you do business in the 
United States of America, wwell, then you must do so by the RULES and LAWS 
of the United States of America!

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Chinese Restaurants.


> Marion, this is true but sometimes when one goes out to eat and the 
> restraunt managers give us the runaround its easier to go elsewhere and 
> then take up the cause.  Unfortunately, it also wastes a lot of time and 
> can ruin an evening.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Chinese Restaurants.
>
>
>> Deanna,
>>    In order to restrict a service dog, the entity must demonstrate that 
>> the dog poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others that 
>> cannot be eliminated by a reasonable modification of policies, practices, 
>> or procedures. This is known as "an affirmative defense". It means it is 
>> their responsibility to prove it does, not yours to prove it does not. 
>> The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) has rules restricting service dogs 
>> from areas of food preparation. A buffet is not an area of food 
>> preparation but of food service. It is no different from a cafeteria 
>> service except that the individual serves themselves. Ohio has criminal 
>> remedies for denial of service to disabled individuals accompanied by 
>> service dogs. If they do not comply with the law, file a complaint.
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:32 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Chinese Restaurants.
>>
>>
>>> Good Morning all,
>>> I have had some bad experiences in Chinese Restaurants since having a 
>>> guide dog. Most of the time, the restaurant is very good about the dog. 
>>> But, every once in a while you get people who just do not understand 
>>> what a guide dog does.
>>> So, there is this one restaurant that is a Chinese Buffet that is close 
>>> to where I live. I went to it a few years ago with Pascal and my friend. 
>>> As soon as we walked in, the lady said, "No dogs." I simply explained 
>>> that he was a guide dog. She seemed to understand, but then she said 
>>> that he could come in, but had to stay at the table and that I could not 
>>> take him to the buffet. At the time, I did not know if this was legal or 
>>> not. Also, it was a new restaurant and I did not feel comfortable 
>>> sending my friend to the buffet to serve me. So, we just left, and I 
>>> have not been back there yet.
>>> Since then, I have taken my dog to many American food buffets, and they 
>>> do not have a problem with my taking him to the actual buffet. I also 
>>> took him to a different Chinese Buffet and had no problems.
>>> So, my main issue is this, I want to try to go back to this Chinese 
>>> buffet and see what happens. After all, it has been over 3 years and I 
>>> hope that since then they have had many more guide dog teams come in. 
>>> What should I do if they say the same thing? Have you all ever 
>>> experienced similar discrimination? What would you do in this situation?
>>> Thank you for any advice.
>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>>
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