[nagdu] working up to obstacles

Tue Apr 30 18:27:48 UTC 2013

Hello to everybody!

My Roosi  is usually finding the way by her self but still sometimes I  mess
her up. Trust issues I think. But when we stop infront of some obsticles
then I just say to her a command to find the road. If it doesnt work for the
first time i repeat the command  for several times and when she still doesnt
move then I tell her the right way. For example  to go to right or left or
back. But usually she finds the right way and is so really happy when she
gets so many good girls and happy words... Hmm.. I dont know how it is in
english when you say to your dog that she is really good girl and did good
with happy voice. Well I hope you understand:)smile:)
Oh, and please dont think that I dont trust my dog. But sometimes when I
have better days and i can see a little then I still sometimes want to
lead:)smile:) 

Tervitades / With greetings
Christel Sogenbits
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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] working up to obstacles

Ben will go within a few feet of the obstacle, then turn to go around it. 
He only stops if the alternate path is also narrow, like when a car is
across the sidewalk and a tree is close to the path to go around the car, or
at the curb, if we have to step into the street.

In class, we worked what the trainer called a trap.  She laid out
construction tape along the side, then blocked it with more tape at the end.
The dog is supposed to see that the end is blocked and not go in the trap at
all.  I kinda messed Ben up though, because, when he went to turn away from
the trap, I thought he was messing around and made him go in. 
He seems confused about such things to this day.

All my other dogs worked obstacles the same as Ben, go within a few feet,
then choose a path around.  At GDB, they wanted us to go up to the obstacle
and then turn, but I dropped that at the first opportunity.
Tracy

> Julie,
>
> Mitzi, too, will figure things out from a distance and find another way.
> Very confusing, but I've gotten used to it for the most part. Every 
> now and then I will argue her into taking me up to the obstacle, and 
> she is very smug when we finally turn around and backtrack and take 
> the way she told me to in the first place. /lol/
>
> I don't know where she got it, either, since I didn't specifically 
> train her for it. I suspect she just noticed that obstacles and having 
> to turn around irritate me, or else she just doesn't like having to 
> turn around because it's boring. Who knows? /lol/
>
> Tami
>
> On 04/30/2013 06:59 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>> Iâ€™m wondering how everyone elseâ€™s guides work impassable obstacles?
>> For example, letâ€™s say thereâ€™s been a severe thunderstorm and a 
>> largish tree branch has fallen across the sidewalk, entirely blocking 
>> it off.
>>
>> How would your guide work that situation?  If youâ€™ve had more than 
>> one guide did they work something like this differently?
>>
>> Do they go all the way up to the branch and then stop to wait for 
>> further instruction?
>> Would they alter course from a distance, so you never get close?
>> Would they stop a few feet away, at the most obvious turning point to 
>> go around the thing?
>> Something else?
>>
>> Monty has always worked obstacles from a distance, meaning he will 
>> choose a clear path from as much as half a block away.  Of course, I 
>> never taught him this.  I have no idea what obstacles are that far 
>> away so I could offer instruction from that kind of distance.  This 
>> is just how Monty has interpreted his job duties.  Mostly I 
>> appreciate not walking up to the obstacle only then having to double 
>> back and go a different direction.  Sometimes though, it is rather 
>> annoying, not having the slightest idea why he is insistent that we go a
different
>> way. He is zealous about safety to the point of insanity.   If he views
>> something as unsafe, no amount of coaxing, prompting or encouraging 
>> will get him to budge.
>>
>> I do appreciate his stubborn insistence on safety, I just wish I
>> understood better what we were going around.   I also wish I knew how I
>> managed to give him the impression that he should stop so far away.
>> *sigh*
>> Itâ€™s not really a problem so much as a curiosity to me.  Heâ€™s a 
>> very smart dog.  I wonder what goes on in his fat head.
>>
>> Julie
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