[nagdu] Barking Puppies!

Sun Dec 8 08:49:47 UTC 2013

Minh,
These are strategies that I devised on my own from the things I
learned during training. While I commend GDB for implementing negative
punishment into their training program, let's face it, this method
does not work for all dogs. Rather than subtracting or withholding all
interaction, reaction, and rewards from your dog, motivate your dog to
do something that is good and yields rewards. I have not tried
negative punishment with my golden, but that is because the "touch"
cue and the obedience routine work very effectively in our case.
Teaching the "touch" cue is very simple, and it will be easy for you
since you already know about clicker training, and attended a program
that utilizes, almost relies upon,  it heavily. I will discuss two
methods of teaching "touch," one involving food rewards, and one
excluding food rewards for those who choose not to use them.
With a treat in your fist, offer your fist to your dog. When she
focuses on you, licks or nuzzles your fist. Click! and treat. Repeat
this 2-4 more times, and if your dog is successful, start introducing
the cue. When you offer your fist, the moment she touches her nose to
your fist, say "touch," click! and treat. Repeat this several times.
If your dog has performed consistently, start saying "touch," then
offer your empty fist. When your dog obeys, click! and reward her. Do
this several times until she is consistently obeying the cue. If you
move on to a different step and she is not getting it, just go back to
the previous step and work with her.
For training without treats, offer your fist or open palm to your dog.
If they are not paying attention, call her name or pat your thigh,
still offering your hand. When she becomes interested in your hand,
sniffing, licking, or nuzzling it, click! and reward her with verbal
or physical praise. Repeat 2-4 times. If she is successful at this
step, start introducing the cue. When she touches her nose to your
hand, say "touch," then click! and praise her. Do this several times.
When she is consistent, start giving the cue, click! and praise her
for obeying. Repeat this step until it is consistent.
Be sure to teach this to your dog in a quiet place with little or no
distractions. When your dog is successful and consistent in this
environment, gradually increase the distraction level and location at
which you practice this cue. This is a command that can work in open
places like parks or fields. Trust me, I've looked silly excitedly
exclaiming "touch!" across a park at an eager golden dashing for
dachshunds, but he whirled around and flew toward me, aiming for my
fist like he had been headed toward those dachshunds a moment earlier.
Some dogs obey this cue as though it's a natural impulse, other dogs
are very poky and wishy-washy.
Hope this helps.

On 12/7/13, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
> If you own the dog then only way it can be taken from you is only through
> court system. Even if the school owns the dog thay just can't take dog from
> you, the police will tell the school you must go to a judge to get court
> order to remove the dog. You will need a lawer handle this for you, you
> don't half to give back guide dog if you ask for the dog back thay will need
> to go to police and then get a judge to order you to give back dog, this
> will cost both you and school money and time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 8:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Barking Puppies!
>
> Raven,
>
> Is this something that Guiding Eyes taught or it's a method that you devised
> on your own? GDB didn't use this method to help the dogs refocus. I was
> taught to make Viva sit quietly for about 10 seconds and then just start
> working again. I really like the "touch" command though--it would definitely
> help Viva focus her attention on me instead of her distractions. She's been
> super sniffy lately too so I might try this. How woul dyou recommend I start
> teaching this to her?
>
> Minh
>
>
> On 12/6/13, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Abigail,
>> There's nothing wrong with doing very light corrections with a Halti.
>> I suspect that is what you're using, since I don't think much of a
>> correction could be done with a gentle leader. Not in the way of
>> guiding anyway.
>> What you can also try is doing an obedience routine when your girl is
>> distracted. That should help her refocus. Also, you can also play the
>> touch game. Hopefully, your school taught you this. Essentially, when
>> you give the cue "touch," you offer your hand, and your dog will touch
>> her nose to your offered fist or open palm. You then reward her with
>> whatever you typically use for rewards whether it's verbal praise,
>> treats, or scratching or petting.
>> If you notice she is distracted, play this game with her to focus her
>> attention on you and her work.
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/13, Abigail Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've never heard that. I always thought that if you own the dog, the
>>> only way someone could take it would be through the humane society.
>>> Jada has gotten better with her barking issue. She will no longer
>>> bark at doorbell noises unless they startle her. She still barks at
>>> the door, but I am not necessarily going to stop that behavior... ′I
>>> am trying to start college and will be living off campus in an
>>> apartment with a friend, so I don't mind if people know that I have a
>>> dog in there with me.′ The GL is working to keep her focus on me, but
>>> she does try to rub it off every chance she gets. I do light
>>> correction and sometimes will hold her head against my leg. She seems
>>> to get the message for about 15 minutes.
>>> Would you guys consider that accepta{{?#}}?
>>>
>>> Abby and Princess Powder Puff Jada. ′Jada likes bath time and the
>>> shampoo I use is Baby Magic with the scent of Baby Powder, so that is
>>> where that nickname came f!′
>>>
>>> Abigail Bolling
>>> Ohio Association of Blind Students: Treasurer
>>> Phone: 513-258-5043
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Star Gazer"
>>>> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By who? If you own the dog, who can take the dog away without going
>>>> through legal due process?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of melissa R
>>>> green
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:42 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Barking Puppies!
>>>>
>>>> very good point.
>>>> It can also happen if you own the dog and you spend money on a dog
>>>> trainer.
>>>> The dog can still be taken away.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>> COAGDU President
>>>> "We love because he first loved us."
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Barking Puppies!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, if the person doesn't own the dog, they can spend all the money
>>>> in the world and the school can take the dog anyway.
>>>> It's like renting a house, you can spend a mint to make repairs and
>>>> it still
>>>>
>>>> isn't your house.
>>>>
>>>> Or, to put it another way, let's say you meet a hot guy and you hit
>>>> it off
>>>>
>>>> like gangbusters. You move in into his house and you fund a bunch of
>>>> things to fix the place up. Then he comes home one day and says "I
>>>> want you out of here". That's what happens if you don't own your
>>>> dog. It does no good to spend money and look up dog trainers in a
>>>> situation like this.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:36 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Barking Puppies!
>>>>
>>>> WOW, first, the school tool your dog, do I dare ask witch one, I am
>>>> looking into getting a dog and I haven't settled on  a school yet.
>>>> Second, this isn't a guide dog issue, it sounds like a dog issue.
>>>> If you have the money or can find someone who knows dog training to
>>>> help deal with the dog issue.
>>>> I would not want the school to take my dog over barking if I could
>>>> find some
>>>>
>>>> help near by. I would look up dog trainers in my area and talk to
>>>> them and
>>>>
>>>> see what they can do.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Abigail Marie Bolling" <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:45:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Barking Puppies!
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> My sweet little Jada has a little bit of a barking issue.
>>>> Unfortunately, I am a bit hesitant to call my school for help
>>>> because last
>>>>
>>>> time I called because she was barking, they took her away from me
>>>> for a month...
>>>>
>>>> But anyway. Jada barks at doorbells.
>>>> And not just the house one either.
>>>> She barks at them during movies, on TV and even the ringtone on the
>>>> IPhone.
>>>> (I'm not kidding.)
>>>>
>>>> I've tried to incorporate the doorbell on the IPhone into our daily
>>>> obedience sessions, but it's not seeming to work.
>>>> I have at least 3 rings before she will lay or sit quietly, then she
>>>> is fine. But instantaneous doorbells make her bark and I can't seem
>>>> to break her of them.
>>>> I've tried grabbing her muzzle and staring her down, I've tried
>>>> verbal corrections and collar corrections. (I don't think it should
>>>> warrant a high collar unless she is aggressive but I could be
>>>> wrong.)
>>>>
>>>> She seems to also bark at men for some reason. If a man walks into
>>>> the Pizza
>>>>
>>>> Parlor where I work and Jada is in her crate, she will bark.
>>>>
>>>> "Quiet," doesn't really work. She will however go from full bark to
>>>> belly bark. Should I settle for belly bark as long as it's not
>>>> distracting?
>>>>
>>>> The other thing is that she will bark and whine at other dogs while
>>>> working in harness, but she will also work past them just pulling a
>>>> little. (And not
>>>>
>>>> necessarily toward the other dog.) Should I just let it go if she is
>>>> working
>>>>
>>>> well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, and hopefully I didn't ask too much! :)
>>>>
>>>> Abby and Princess Jada
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>> Ohio Association Of Blind Students: Treasurer
>>>>
>>>> Email: Abigail.me.bolling94 at gmail.com and
>>>> violingirl30794 at hotmail.com
>>>> Phone: 513-258-5043
>>>> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing
>>>> like no
>>>>
>>>> one is listening, and live like it's heaven on earth." William
>>>> Purkey
>>>>
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