[nagdu] Wistling was ...

Mon Dec 9 03:08:44 UTC 2013

 hi i wisal with mya comes to me, and i also use tranning treats,
 as well, she loves it,


On Dec 8, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:

> Well, Holly always perks up when i whistle. She bumps and rolls into me. Replying the other subjedfct on boots, Holly won't wear them. She'll pull them off and play with them. I do have a reflective fleese lined jacket i put on her when its really cold or snowy. She doesn't particularly like it but it does keep her warm!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Wistling was ...
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>> This actually does not surprise me. I think that, for some weird reason,
>> dogs like it when people whistle . I have read stories in which hunting dogs
>> were trained to come when someone whistled, even if it was a complete
>> stranger or someone who the dog absolutely hated.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Parisian
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:16 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog problems
>> 
>> Just a quick addition to this most excellent post:  I have been successful
>> training all five dogs to come off leash which I think is no big deal.
>> However, With My dog Payton, if I even said her name, that was eventually
>> enough to have her come and sit in the expected position; no "come" command
>> was actually necessary.
>> 
>> I also learned that, when she either was out of her hearing range, or a
>> little sluggish about responding, I do the British steam train whistle
>> through my cupped hands; I don't understand why, but that one has never
>> failed.  For some reason, she actually seemed to like that sound.  Maybe her
>> puppy raisers did that, I don't know.
>> 
>> Doug: The answer is blowin' in the wind!
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog problems
>> 
>> 
>> : Ty,
>> : There is no need to get snappy with the people who suggested leave the
>> : dog alone. This is not bad advice, because let me tell you, a fearful
>> : dog is, or can turn into, an aggressive dog. This is why it is
>> : important to work at the dog's pace, and not at yours or Minh's.
>> : Also, what you're saying is different from what Minh said.
>> : First, this is about the relationship between your dog and your
>> : girlfriend. Your dog does not like her. She has admitted that she has
>> : behaved aggressively toward your dog, yelling, giving collar
>> : corrections, and speaking sternly, when these things are obviously not
>> : working and likely making the situation worse.
>> : Second, raising your voice and yelling are 2 different things. I'm not
>> : sure if you guys hang out/live together in an apartment or what, but
>> : unless you are trying to get your dog's attention from across a field,
>> : trust me, they can hear you perfectly fine. I never raise my voice to
>> : call my dog, or any of the dogs I have trained. It is not necessary.
>> : Bottom line: drop the yelling.
>> : Third, you said that your dogs are comfortable enough to trust the
>> : both of you. But Minh expressed the fact that your dog is not
>> : comfortable around her. If the dog is avoiding her, not coming to her
>> : at all unless she has a treat, hides from her, and yelps when she
>> : plays with him, he does not trust her, he fears her. There could be
>> : some underlying health issue as someone suggested; anything is
>> : possible. But frankly, I believe the dog is afraid of her, and you
>> : need to be very considerate of your dog's feelings, and Minh needs to
>> : change the way she behaves toward your dog.
>> : Now, training a dog to come when called is very hard. A surprising
>> : number of people believe this is a basic, simple behavior/cue to
>> : train, but it really isn't. There are two things that people do
>> : frequently that hinder the dog's learning this behavior.
>> : 1. People often punish their dogs when they come to them. I've seen it
>> : at the park when a woman has to call her dog a bunch of times, and
>> : when he finally comes to her, she is yelling at him and gripping his
>> : collar up. Any kind of behavior like this lessens the chances of your
>> : dog coming to you when you call him. If you have to call your dog
>> : twenty-five times, you still don't punish them when they come to you.
>> : You rain praise upon them as if they just ended world hunger so that
>> : they associate coming to you with good things.
>> : 2. Many people give in to their dogs, and after getting tired of
>> : calling them, they just go to get/find the dog. When people do this,
>> : they are communicating to their dog that the dog does not have to come
>> : because their owner will go get them anyway.
>> : You train that dog to come to you with a clicker and a toy, or a bag
>> : of treats. Get your dog's attention with the toy, and of course, he
>> : will come. Click! Give 'em the toy. Let 'em play for a minute or so,
>> : then cue him to give the toy back with whatever cue you use--"drop it"
>> : or the like. Repeat this several times. Make it a game, and make it
>> : fun. Whenever he comes to you to get the toy, click! then give it to
>> : 'em. Start introducing the cue "come," "here," or whatever. The moment
>> : he comes to you, say "come," click! give the toy. repeat. Then do it
>> : all without the toy. If your dog won't pay attention to you without
>> : it, do more than just call his name--snap your fingers, tap your
>> : thigh, whatever.
>> : Many people do not want to do training sessions for something like
>> : coming when called, but training sessions like this are what will
>> : improve the reliability, and it's playtime! Who would say no to that?
>> : After several days of training sessions, get Minh involved. If the dog
>> : decides not to come to her, do not allow her to coax or cue him to do
>> : so. If he is not willing to approach her, even if she has a toy, you
>> : must be the one to reassure him. This might take several days or a
>> : couple weeks. You might have to use treats to draw him close to her,
>> : and to reward him if he interacts with her in a positive way at all.
>> : Use the advice in my other email as well.
>> : Good luck.
>> : Raven
>> :
>> : On 12/8/13, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
>> : > Hello all:
>> : > First, for the one-liner "leave the dog alone," thanks but no thanks for
>> : > the advice. Minh was looking for some thought and feedback. For those of
>> : > you who responded (raven, nicole et al), thanks also for your responses.
>> : > I have a few comments I want to add because I'm interested in people's
>> : > actual feedback regarding them.
>> : >
>> : > first, O'Mally and Minh got to know each other when Viva was not
>> : > around--I had O'Mally before Minh got Viva. It seems that his behavior
>> : > has changed a bit after Viva came around and she started getting
>> : > attention from both of us. We do pretty much give them equal
>> : > attention--sometimes O'Mally more than Viva or Viva more than O'Mally,
>> : > but it sort of all equals out. I have no problem what-so-ever with Minh
>> : > calling O'Mally or me calling Viva. I think they are both comfortable
>> : > enough with us to trust us. I guess others prefer to keep their dogs
>> : > separate, but this seems like mostly personal preference. Regardless,
>> : > here's what I'm thinking with O'Mally.
>> : >
>> : > First, I understand yelling is a bit of an issue. Neither of us scream
>> : > at either of our guides, but a raised voice sometimes seems like it's
>> : > useful for getting attention. It's much preferable to grabbing their
>> : > collar or something, so I'd like to use that if it works. It doesn't
>> : > seem to scare them, it's just like a way to get them to actually focus
>> : > or pay attention.
>> : >
>> : > Second, I think part of this is stemming from a bit of jealousy on both
>> : > viva and O'mally's parts. I've noticed they tend to get irritated at
>> : > each other sometimes, which I generally try to take care of, but I'm not
>> : > really sure how to do much with that. I assume it'll happen regardless,
>> : > but it seems to be a contributing factor.
>> : >
>> : > Finally, I appreciate all the advice given thus far on alternative ways
>> : > for us to get O'mally to come when she calls. There have been times when
>> : > I have to leave O'Mally with Minh or Viva has stayed with me. I believe
>> : > if I am going to do that, O'mally needs to be comfortable with her and
>> : > she needs to be able to call him, knowing 100% sure or at least as close
>> : > to 100% as you can get with a dog that he will come. It may be that she
>> : > actually really needs O'Mally to come to her, which leads me into
>> : > another point. I have also noticed that sometimes when I call O'mally he
>> : > thumps his tail at me rather than coming. I don't know if it is his way
>> : > of saying "I'm right here," but I'd much prefer he just came. It's not
>> : > all that often, but it happens sometimes. Any advice on how to work that
>> : > out would be awesome.
>> : >
>> : > Thanks,
>> : >
>> : > --
>> : > Take care,
>> : > Ty
>> : > http://tds-solutions.net
>> : > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
>> that
>> : > dares not reason is a slave.
>> : >
>> : >
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