[nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats

Mon Dec 9 21:53:31 UTC 2013

I guess that could be a real downer!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats

: Escolator certification?? Can you explain a bit? What happens if someone 
who
: didn't have escalator certification used an escalator?
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 10:01 AM
: To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
: Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
:
: Dear Nicole,
:
: I'm guessing people weren't making sure the dog's nails were trimmed
: closely enough and/or the hair around the feet.
: GDA does not make our dogs wear the boots, but you have to have
: escalator certification in order to use them; some people in class chose 
not
: to do this.
: Darla & happy Huck
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
Torcolini
: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:12 PM
: To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
: Subject: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
:
: Out of curiosity, why do some of the schools have the dogs wear boots on
: escalators? GDB did not start doing this until after I received Lexia, so 
I
: never got the full story on it.
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Heaps
: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:56 PM
: To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
: Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
:
: Chase wears his boots every day on his back feet to protect him on the
: escalators at BART.  He doesn't mind them at all.
:
: He knows that when we leave the BART station, his job is to find a bench 
to
: jump up on so I can take his boots off.  It saves my aged old back not to
: have to bend over to take them off.  I just wrap the velcro straps around
: his harness handle and the boots are always within reach.
:
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
: To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 5:50 PM
: Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
:
:
: > GDB trains all their dogs with booties during escalators, and then the
: > students in class, to put booties on the dogs to use escalators. I
: > don't ever do escalators, for many reasons, so I never practiced it. I
: > can't imagine Olga liking them much, but who knows.
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
: > Tolliver
: > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:46 PM
: > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
: > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
: >
: > I too will never forget the day at GEB where the instructors had us
: > put the booties on our dogs. As soon as Kipling started galloping and
: > walking super fast, I died! I laughed so hard, I cried through the
: > majority of the practice session. And the same thing happened the
: > second time, which was outside.
: > The problem with the boots is that dogs cannot feel the ground through
: > the footwear. This is one of the reasons why I prefer my dog to wear
: > thin, latex booties. The product Musher's secret is fantastic because
: > it creates an effective barrier between the salt and cold without
: > depriving a dog of its sense of touch through its feet.
: >
: >
: >
: > On 12/8/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
: >> Hahaha, yes. GDB did not yet issue boots when I received Lexia, but
: >> they had them for some of the upcoming classes and let me try them.
: >> And, yes...
: >> She
: >> pranced like a horse. I guess that dogs just don't like stuff
: >> on/around their heds and feet.
: >>
: >> -----Original Message-----
: >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
: >> Parisian
: >> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:47 PM
: >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
: >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
: >>
: >> To add to the conversation, I've never used a coat for my dogs in
: >> Winnipeg and at present, The wind chill here is minus 40, which is
: >> the same by the way in both selcius and Fahrenheit.  Mind, I'd not
: >> likely spend a lot of time outdoors in this weather, even though
: >> Douglas is currently dogless.
: >>
: >> Further, I've never found boots that either breath, or that don't
: >> absorb moisture.  TSI gave me boots (for my dog, also named Boots)
: >> and she hated them.  I do admit the first time we tried then in
: >> training, I got the giggles listening to this little baby horsy
: >> pattering
: beside me.
: >>
: >> Usually, once I leave the house, I'm on and off at least one bus.  In
: >> winter, others get on the bus and naturally, there are little puddles
: >> on the floor, not due to cold passengers loosing control, but due to
: >> melting
: > snow.
: >>
: >> So, the dog gets on the bus, walks through the puddles with boots
: >> picking up more water than would be with bare feet, gets off and
: >> boots freeze very quickly.  The rest should be obvious.
: >>
: >> The real problem to me is that, unlike dogs, I can dress in super
: >> winter clothing and feel quite warm.  Further, our dogs to not live
: >> out doors so that adapting to the cold, though it certainly does
: >> happen, may not be as rapid nor complete as for the outdoor pups.
: >>
: >> Doug: cold feet, warm heart?
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >> ----- Original Message -----
: >> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
: >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
: >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
: >> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:35 PM
: >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
: >>
: >>
: >> : We actually have to adjust as well. After we have acclamated, we
: >> don't shiver so much either. Coats do grow to compensate, specially
: >> if you get out
: >>
: >> a lot.
: >> : CL
: >> :
: >> : On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Shannon Dyer
: >> <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
: >> wrote:
: >> :
: >> : > I'm not trying to cause offense, but I really don't see why
: >> people buy coats for their dogs. The common breeds (labs, goldens,
: >> etc.) have very good
: >>
: >> coats to keep them warm. Labs are bred to be outdoors.
: >> : >
: >> : > Sure, there might be some initial shivering. My dogs have done
: >> this, but
: >>
: >> I figure they have to adjust to the change in temperature. If we
: >> cover
: > them
: >>
: >> in coats and the like, they'll never adjust.
: >> : >
: >> : > Shannon and the Acelet
: >> : > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:02 AM, "Nicole Torcolini"
: >> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
: >> : >
: >> : >> Lexia has a bunch of bandanas, but most of them are from her
: >> groomer or
: >>
: >> from
: >> : >> the groomer that did the family pet dog back in the day. My
: >> mother
: > did
: >>
: >> buy a
: >> : >> few of the bandanas, but I don't know where she got them. In any
: > case,
: >>
: >> Lexia
: >> : >> does not mind them; I think that she actually likes them.
: >> : >> Now that I live in California, Lexia does not need a Winter coat.
: > When
: >>
: >> I
: >> : >> lived in Washington State, I had one for her that I occasionally
: >> used when
: >> : >> she came in and was damp or wet and cold. It looked a lot like a
: > horse
: >> : >> blanket, but it was not something that a dog would wear outside.
: >> Someone
: >> : >> also made Lexia a sweater. If I remember correctly, it was made
: >> to go over
: >> : >> the harness handle.
: >> : >>
: >> : >> Nicole and Lexia
: >> : >>
: >> : >> -----Original Message-----
: >> : >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
: >> Sherry Gomes
: >> : >> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 6:38 PM
: >> : >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'
: >> : >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
: >> : >>
: >> : >> I just bought some bandanas from amazon. You can find almost
: >> anything there.
: >> : >> My retired dog never liked any sort of clothing thing on her,
: >> but I think
: >> : >> Olga will actually like it. We'll see. they weren't expensive so
: >> if neither
: >> : >> likes them it will be ok.
: >> : >>
: >> : >> Sherry
: >> : >>
: >> : >>
: >> : >>
: >> : >> -----Original Message-----
: >> : >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh
: >> ha
: >> : >> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:42 PM
: >> : >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
: >> Users
: >> : >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
: >> : >>
: >> : >> Alyssa,
: >> : >> I'm glad you found cute bandanas for Sophie--our dogs need to be
: >> in style
: >> : >> too. :D
: >> : >>
: >> : >> As for the winter coat, I definitely think you should get her
: >> one if she was
: >> : >> shivering. What kind of dog is she? Viva is a yellow lab but her
: >> fur is
: >> : >> super short so she was shivering too when the temperatures got
: >> down
: > to
: >>
: >> about
: >> : >> 10 degrees here. I know some dogs don't need a coat because
: >> their fur is
: >> : >> nice and thick and that gives them enough protection from the 
cold.
: >> I
: >> bought
: >> : >> Viva a simple fleece-lined coat from Petco to give her a little
: >> bit more
: >> : >> warmth. Most coats that are sold commercially go underneath the
: >> harness
: >>
: >> so
: >> : >> you would have to loosen the harness strap to fit it over the 
coat.
: > My
: >>
: >> mom
: >> : >> knows how to sew and she's actually going to make Viva a custom
: > fleece
: >>
: >> coat
: >> : >> over break that can go over the harness. I'm really excited
: >> about
: > this
: >> : >> because it's a pain to have readjusting the harness strap back
: >> and forth
: >> : >> depending on whether or not the temperature outside is cold
: >> enough to
: >> : >> warrant the coat.
: >> : >>
: >> : >> Hope this helps,
: >> : >> Minh
: >> : >>
: >> : >> On 12/7/13, Alyssa <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com> wrote:
: >> : >>> Hello all. I'm sorry for posting so many questions lately, but
: >> this is
: >> : >>> my first dog and I want to make sure all is right. I'd first
: >> like to
: >> : >>> say
: >> : >> thanks
: >> : >>> for the bandana suggestions. Sophie has an NIU bandana from our
: >> : >>> bookstore too. I found a couple cute Christmas ones at Walmart
: >> for a
: >> : >>> dollar a piece for anyone else who is looking. And now, the
: > question.
: >> : >>> Here in Illinois,
: >> : >> it
: >> : >>> got down to 14 degrees last night. I had to take a short walk
: >> from a
: >> : >>> building to my friend's car. During this 2 minute walk, Sophie
: >> began
: >> : >>> shivering and continued to do so during the 10 minute car ride
: >> we
: >> : >>> took. Is this normal? Should I purchase Sophie a winter coat?
: >> Is there
: >> : >>> a certain
: >> : >> one
: >> : >>> that won't interfere with her harness? All help is appreciated.
: >> Thanks
: >> : >>> everyone!
: >> : >>> Alyssa and Sophie
: >> : >>>
: >> : >>> Sent from my iPhone
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: >> : >>
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: > dusty
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