[nagdu] clicker training

Mon Feb 18 15:57:45 UTC 2013

I use the same concept. I use "yes" instead of a click, though, because 
I can't forget to put my "yes" in my pocket.
I use the clicker concept when teaching new behaviors. I keep all of the 
task-specific training I do with the service dog puppies I train very 
very positive. I have a dog who shut down with any kind of correction, 
so she really encouraged and pushed me to use positive methods as much 
as possible. I do use corrections at times for leash manors and/or lack 
of cooperation when it comes to basic obedience

I trained my guide with a lot of positive reinforcement and a bit more 
negative reinforcement than I would like, and I have actually been going 
back and reteaching him the same behaviors through positive methods. It 
was really difficult for me, since I was first taught the negative 
reinforcement training through the guide dog programs. I find that those 
behaviors taught with positive methods seem to be approached with much 
more joy than those taught through corrections, and I am so glad I took 
the time to listen to my dogs.

As an example, I wanted to teach my guide, Dayton, to do some service 
dog tasks so that I could use him in demonstrations for Custom Canines, 
the program I train with. I tried and tried to encourage him to retrieve 
items. I wasn't really hard on him, but I wasn't really positive, 
either. I didn't let him figure it out himself, and I couldn't get him 
to pick up anything but his favorite toys. Once I learned how to shape 
behaviors, I was able to teach him to pick up a training dumbbell, a 
spoon, a hair brush and my slipper all in under 20 minutes including 
teaching him the name of each item. I do think there is much more trust 
and joy in a relationship with a dog which is as positive as it can be, 
and I continue to grow, learn, research and leave behind the original 
methods I was taught as much as possible.

Meghan
On 2/18/2013 7:31 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> I think it's awesome that the guide dog programs are realizing that 
> clicker training is a useful tool and teaching the concepts to their 
> students.  NLS has a few books by Karen Pryor.  I don't know if they 
> are available digitally though.  I read them ages ago on cassette.  
> There's loads of info on the internet and Audible has some good books 
> too.
>
> Julie
> On 2/18/2013 7:19 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> Well, when I even wrote about it, all I really knew was the version I 
>> learned only a little bit about, so I appreciate your saying so. It 
>> is interesting and sometimes I think to learn more about it.
>>
>> Cindy Lou
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Pure clicker training involves no collar corrections of any 
>>> variety.  Some people who use clicker training are very committed to 
>>> only using the method in this pure form.  Others use the mix and 
>>> match approach.  Those who use the pure form argue that using 
>>> corrections dilutes the effectiveness of clicker training and harms 
>>> the relationship between person and dog, because the dog doesn't 
>>> know for certain that he won't be punished.  I can understand this 
>>> and do agree with it, to a degree.  As I've said before I am not a 
>>> purest clicker trainer, but I don't want to suggest that it doesn't 
>>> work in the pure form or that that choice is inferior in any way.  
>>> It may very well be that my version is the inferior one, but I 
>>> choose it because it is what works for me.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2013 10:06 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>> I am wondering about pushing over you as an owner. I don't think a 
>>>> dog could do that. It does the thing you want it to do, ou click 
>>>> and give it a tiny treat. If it doesn't do it, no treat. Gradually 
>>>> it begins doing it with just the praise. I don't really think dogs 
>>>> think of "pulling something over" or "pushing something over" on 
>>>> the owner that much. They want to do something and they will. But 
>>>> they like to please you and they like praise, so positive 
>>>> re-enforcement should truly work well. I'm not sure people who use 
>>>> clicker training never use leash corrections though.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Lora :) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> I have a few questions about clicker training and positive
>>>>> reinforcement training in general. I am NOT trying to flame or offend
>>>>> anyone. I can see the advantages of positive reinforcement ie dog is
>>>>> not scared of getting a correction and not scared of you. I wonder
>>>>> about clicker trained dogs not having a sense of boundaries and just
>>>>> pushing over you as the owner. Could someone please clarify or 
>>>>> correct
>>>>> if need be? I like that clicker trained dogs aren't afraid to try and
>>>>> they don't have to worry about getting a leash correction. Thank you
>>>>> for your help.
>>>>> Lora
>>>>>
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