[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training ProgramsatNAGDU Meeting

[rhonda cruz]

 i don't greek out when i get a check,
 we do fine.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:34 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:

> Ummm, the dogs and handlers freak out when they get a traffic check????  I think you were refering to the ones set up by school staff.  So, my question is: What happens for the REAL ones that just happen?  The dog and handler just has to freak out alone?
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training ProgramsatNAGDU Meeting
> 
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>> When I  was at Pilot training with Motley, we were told that they don't set
>> up traffic checks because, when they used to use traffic checks, the dogs
>> and the students were all freaked out by it.
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Chantel and Motley.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> avapup.7 at gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:17 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Programs
>> atNAGDU Meeting
>> 
>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks. As I am
>> considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm wondering if
>> it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are trained to
>> stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience? But is it
>> that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for their students
>> where they have a car driven by a staff member to test them? I'd think that
>> in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic checks without
>> setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus traffic! Do I have it
>> right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>> 
>> Ava and Cocoa
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there minds,
>>> about going to a nfb convention,
>>> but i will never know, if i just ask.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before giving
>> her
>>>> presentation.
>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed her
>> down
>>>> and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>> 
>>>> marion,
>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,, before
>> you
>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those times
>> too.
>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can not
>>>> participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if they
>> would. I
>>>> do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot would
>>>> never
>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his trainers
>>>> was
>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he said the
>>>>> trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said Pilot did not do
>>>> traffic
>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised and
>>>>> exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to someone else that
>>>> was
>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of the
>>>>> importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I felt it
>> was
>>>> a
>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks while
>>>>> assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members can be very
>>>>> assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat anyone
>>>>> with disrespect or in an undignified manner. Pilot has still not chosen
>> to
>>>>> attend our conventions, though!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----
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