[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks wasUpdate:TrainingProgramsat NAGDU Meeting

Fri Jul 5 22:12:22 UTC 2013

I absolutely love knowing what to expect from Huck in traffic, so I'm glad
many schools still feel them beneficial and necessary.
Darla & Handsome Huck just returned from a route in Santa Monica

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of L Gwizdak
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 1:03 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks wasUpdate:TrainingProgramsat
NAGDU Meeting

Seeing Eye also uses thesse kinds of traffic checks.  The trainer who drives
the checks has to use a regular car - not the school cars or vans because
these smart dogs learn to recognise the school cars and they know the drill!

When the trainer drives a regular car, the dog thinks it's a real traffic
check and not the set up kind.

Oh, you're going to GDA!  I wwent there in 1990 and got a yellow Lab named
Olivia.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:26 AM
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> That is only one of the kinds of traffic checks that are done; at GDA, 
> they also roll out of driveways, with the engine off, they park a 
> running vehicle across a driveway, etc.
> Darla & Handsome Huck Off to ride light rail and do platform work 
> today
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel 
> Cuddemi
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:47 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was 
> Update:TrainingProgramsat NAGDU Meeting
>
> Artificial traffic checks are traffic checks set up by the trainers 
> while you're in class.
>
> A trainer drives in a car and pulls out unexpectedly in front of you 
> just as you're about to cross. The dog is then expected to disobey the 
> forward command and back the handler up away from the car.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Chantel and Pilot Dog Motley, poodle.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:24 AM
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> Update:TrainingProgramsat NAGDU Meeting
>
> What exactly is artificial traffic checks? What do you mean by artificial?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 00:38:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update:
> TrainingProgramsat NAGDU Meeting
>
> Guys,
>
> Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic checks 
> set up by Pilot.  I wasn't aware that the dogs go through artificial 
> traffic checks before we got them.
>
> On 7/2/13, Larry D.  Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we don't have 
> any probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those 
> that park in the middle of the street.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update:
> Training
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>
>
> Hi Ava,
>
> Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their training 
> period
>
> with the trainers, before they get to you.
>
> You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the dog to 
> show
>
> you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jenny
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks.  As 
> I am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm 
> wondering
>
> if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are 
> trained
>
> to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience? 
> But is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for 
> their students where they have a car driven by a staff member to test 
> them? I'd
>
> think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic 
> checks
>
> without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus traffic! 
> Do
>
> I have it right or am I thinking of something different?
> Thanks!!
>
> Ava and Cocoa
>
> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> the staff at pilot are good.
> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there minds, 
> about going to a nfb convention,  but i will never know, if i just 
> ask.
>
> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>
> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before giving
>
> her
> presentation.
> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed her 
> down and used it as a learning opportunity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha  
> Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>
> marion,
> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
> Althought there has been those members around since those time,, 
> before
>
> you
> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those times
>
> too.
> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can not 
> participate.  I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if they 
> would.
> I  do feel like that is a cop-out.
>
>
>
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Rhonda,
> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an  officer.
> When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot  would  never 
> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his  
> trainers was  embarrassed at a meeting.  I don't remember the 
> incident, but he said the  trainer was asked about traffic checks and 
> she said Pilot did not do traffic  checks.  Apparently, the president 
> at the time was very surprised and  exclaimed, "You don't do traffic 
> checks?" According to someone else that  was  there, this is how it 
> happened and a rather strong discussion of the  importance of traffic 
> checks followed.  I told Mr.  Gray that I felt it
>
> was
> a
> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks  
> while assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members can be 
> very assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat  
> anyone with disrespect or in an undignified manner.  Pilot has still 
> not  chosen to attend our conventions, though!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
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