[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Program sat NAGDU Meeting

Passle Helminski passle at roadrunner.com
Thu Jul 11 18:26:01 UTC 2013 

I have work 5 dogs.   The last 2 dogs are from Pilot.  They do Natural Traffic checks. Which means almost every day I work my dog I had a natural traffic check.  My dogs handle natural traffic checks great.  No worries here.

I heard that the city recently removed the traffic lights by the school and where you cross to get the buss.  I am worried next time I go to school?  No. I know my dog while handle this in stride.  

Passle

On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:03 AM, Danielle Antoine <singingmywayin at gmail.com> wrote:

> But, could it be that they don't know or can't tell the difference
> because they have never had any other experience? Are there any other
> grads who have gone to Pilot after another program on hear? I will say
> that I've been on a few non-school specific lists and as stated
> previously they all seem happy with there training. this is very
> interesting and I don't really have much info nor have I seen any
> working teams from there so I'd like to hear more about Pilot Dogs.
> that's what I've always heard though that they didn't do planned
> traffic checks. Kind of worrisome!
> 
> Danielle
> 
> On 7/10/13, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hello may, keeps me safe every time we travel together,
>> she has done many traffic  checks,
>> and we work hard to.
>> i feel pilot did a good job at mamatching us.
>> 
>> On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Howard J. Levine wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree if a xchool is going to cut back on traffic checks what else are
>>> they cutting back on. You want to know how your guide dog is going ot
>>> react
>>> to problem and keep you safe.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:49 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Program
>>> sat NAGDU Meeting
>>> 
>>> Rebecca.
>>> 	This may be an issue of not knowing rather than not caring. I
>>> believe traffic checks are an important part of guide dog work and, to
>>> the
>>> best of my knowledge, Pilot is the only guide dog training program that
>>> does
>>> not include them in their training! If Pilot consumers knew how important
>>> they were and that everyone else gets what they do not, perhaps they
>>> would
>>> speak up. Then again, they may be met with the same sort of irrational
>>> excuses other training programs offer us and we are expected to accept
>>> without question! For instance, Pilot may assert that traffic checks are
>>> unnecessary and their consumers are expected to accept this without
>>> question. If they are not important, why does every other program put such
>>> a
>>> major emphasis on them?
>>> 
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 12:03 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Program
>>> sat NAGDU Meeting
>>> 
>>> Steve,
>>> The Pilot grads don't seem to mind this though. So why would they speak
>>> up?
>>> To them, it isn't a problem. To me, it's a deal breaker.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:07 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Program
>>> sat NAGDU Meeting
>>> 
>>> Deanna, you make an excellent point.  Having a controlled traffic check
>>> can
>>> help the student get prepared for what is inevitable.  Whether it is a
>>> gas
>>> powered car, quiet car, bicycle, skateboard; we can begin to learn and
>>> feel
>>> how our dogs react to those situations.  Sometimes they are slight, and
>>> sometimes, very apparent checks as we all know.  What would be ideal is
>>> for
>>> the Pilot grads to step up and simply make this request.  The more they
>>> hear
>>> from, the more likely they might listen, and a potential change could be
>>> made.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Lewis
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:43 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>> 
>>> I am sorry, but I would rather have a trained professional driving a car
>>> and
>>> testing my dog and I, than I would to have a random stranger who is not
>>> paying attention come close to, or actually hitting us. Drivers nowadays
>>> are
>>> so careless and they are always on their cell phones, texting, putting on
>>> makeup, and so forth. They just do not pay attention to pedestrians.
>>> I strongly believe that planned traffic checks are an essential part of
>>> guide dog training.
>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:30 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>> 
>>> Dear Chantel,
>>> 
>>> That is totally ridiculous; I wouldn't want a dog who freaked out with
>>> artificial traffic checks.
>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>>> Cuddemi
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic checks set
>>> up
>>> by Pilot. I wasn't aware that the dogs go through artificial traffic
>>> checks
>>> before we got them.
>>> 
>>> On 7/2/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we don't have
>>>> any probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those
>>>> that park in the middle of the street.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ava,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their training
>>>>> period
>>>>> 
>>>>> with the trainers, before they get to you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the dog to
>>>>> show
>>>>> 
>>>>> you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks.
>>>>>> As I am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm
>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are
>>>>>> trained
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience?
>>>>>> But is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for
>>>>>> their students where they have a car driven by a staff member to
>>>>>> test them? I'd
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic
>>>>>> checks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus
>>>>>> traffic! Do
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have it right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ava and Cocoa
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>>>>>> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there
>>>>>>> minds, about going to a nfb convention, but i will never know, if i
>>>>>>> just ask.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before
>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> presentation.
>>>>>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed
>>>>>>>> her down and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>>>> Drenth
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> marion,
>>>>>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>>>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,,
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those
>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can
>>>>>>>> not participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if
>>>>>>>> they would. I do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>>>>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his
>>>>>>>>> trainers
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he
>>>>>>>>> said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said
>>>>>>>>> Pilot did not do
>>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised
>>>>>>>>> and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to
>>>>>>>>> someone else that
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of
>>>>>>>>> the importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I
>>>>>>>>> felt it
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks
>>>>>>>>> while assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members
>>>>>>>>> can be very assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult
>>>>>>>>> another nor treat anyone with disrespect or in an undignified
>>>>>>>>> manner. Pilot has still not chosen to attend our conventions,
>>>>>>>>> though!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----
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