[nagdu] close call

Thu Jul 25 20:36:09 UTC 2013

I should think that if my dog were to behave in such a manner as to attack other dogs or people, it would be my responsibility to take it out of service and to inform the school where I got it that I was doing so and why it was. Then we would have to make arrangements as to what the future of the dog would be, but if it was physically attacking other dogs and other people, I would say it is not fit to be guiding, and maybe I'm not fit to handle a dog either. My dog comes across as aggressive, bariing and growling. I don't believe he has ever bitten anyone's dog, and he only becomes aggressive towards other dogs, and mostly it is that he wants to greet them, but that isn't the impression he gives. He is good in all other situations and I am able to control him, but since people believe I am not controlling him, and since they find him alarming when he does this, I elected to leave him at home at this convention. Clearly, this was a good decision from all I have heard. As for Pit Bulls, I am afraid I am sick to death of hearing about all these dogs attacking that are Pits. What Tina has said is so true. If you ever read Michael Vic's dogs, and that may even be the name of that book, it wll sicken you to learn how that breed has been exploited by people who don't have the dogs' best at heart.

Cindy

On Jul 25, 2013, at 2:59 PM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to know this also. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Just out of curiosity, why should it be the school that removes the dog from
> being a guide?  I'm wondering why the handler shouldn't be the one
> responsible?
> 
> Julie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> That is not a guide dog and any guide dog would bite person that school must
> take that dog out of service atwonce.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Hello Nicole and all- Any dog can become aggressive if not trained and or
> handled properly. In the case of the pit bull, they have been mistreated and
> mishandled by unskrupleless   handlers who have use the breed  for monetary
> gain (dog fights). Which is unacceptable  and abusive. Also, there have been
> a ccounts of other breeds such as Labradors, golden retrievers who have
> attacked for no reason. When I was at convention there were several
> incidences of a dog either attacking another dog and or biting a person. One
> incident took place in the lobby of the hotel, where the handler did not
> have hold of the leach and another dog handler was passing by and the dog
> who was lying down while the handler was talking got up and lunged at the
> other dog while barking. Another incident was when I was coming out of an
> elevator and another dog attacked my dog and she had to defend herself.
> However, the worst incident took place when a woman was checking in to her
> room and she did not have her dog properly secured and as a young woman was
> passing by, the dog jumped over the luggage  and preceded to bite the young
> woman twice as well as bite another dog. I think we really need to be
> careful not to make assumptions and stereotypes, because all it does is
> cause prejudice and misunderstandings.
> Tina and the girls
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:06 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Some pit bulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
> 
> For the reasons stated at this website:
> http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php.
> 
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford a
> traditional leash.
> 
> I am not trying to stereotype, but it is probably more likely that someone
> who is homeless has a pit-bull for protection than for a pet. Also, from
> what I read on the above website, it sounds like the rope leash would not
> have done much good had the pit bulls decided to try to run away from their
> owners.
> 
> Maybe what needs to happen is breed specific legislation, but those who have
> pit bulls who are well trained can somehow get them exempt.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Some pitbulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
> 
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford a
> traditional leash.
> 
> It sounds like there was a fence between you guys, regardless what happened.
> 
> I'm glad you are okay.
> 
> Meghan
> On 7/23/2013 4:16 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire wrote:
>> hi, all,
>> Sub says it all.
>> A couple of hours ago while I was parking Odie in the north yard, five
> people started walking past us.
>> Two individuals happened to have pit bulls, a breed which is banned in 
>> the
> city and county of Denver.
>> Although the dogs were leashed, it wasn't a proper one as my friend 
>> Dolly
> described that it was more of a rope type leash.
>> Luckily, no one was hurt, but I found it disturbing that those 
>> individuals
> knowing that the pit bull breed is banned would sneak them into the county.
>> The group was obviously homeless or just street individuals.
>> Dolly told me that as soon as she saw the pit bulls, she immediately 
>> went
> back up the stairs in the lobby.
>> My partner Odie did something which I didn't expect.
>> He knew those dogs weren't nice, so figured for mine and his safety, 
>> he
> pulled me over to the other side of the yard.
>> During the incident, one of our residents happened to be outside on 
>> the
> sidewalk with her walker and her small chihuhua, Baby.
>> She was very lucky that our building security guard as out there.
>> Although I did notify Denver police about the illegal dogs, I'll still
> have to contact Animal Control, giving that this was the second time those
> two dogs were walked by our apartment complex.
>> Dolly told me she saw them yesterday during lunch hour as well.
>> Am glad the iron fence was in between the banned pit bulls, Odie and I.
>> Dolly told me they were smaller than Odie was, but she was concerned 
>> for
> her dog, Easter's safety.
>> She did mention that one of her dogs was a pit bull, but properly 
>> trained
> to be a well-mannered four-legged furry kid.
>> I just took Odie out a few minutes ago, and we definitely took the 
>> garage
> to the south stairwell on up the stairs and out into the south yard instead.
>> I wasn't chancing going out to the north yard, given that there's no
> security guards right now.
>> God was watching over Odie and I along with Dale.
>> bibi and son Odie
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