[nagdu] Help for obese dogsRE: Control of Guide Dog Issue
Darla Rogers
djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 31 23:31:55 UTC 2013
Maybe that ought to be part of "harassment" or some other term; I'd be very
unhappy, to put it mildly, to find out someone else was feeding my guides;
my husband nearly learned that in a divorce court--feeding my dog more than
she needed--I allowed him to feed her, in case I'd ever be ill and not able
to do it myself.
I now feed my dogs myself--and only me--so if I get sick, I guess
Huck will have to deal; since he is a lab, I doubt that would be a problem.
Darla
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:45 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Help for obese dogsRE: Control of Guide Dog Issue
that's veveru true about not always knoing about your dog being fed. We had
a neighbor that would feed our dogs pancakes and other things over the
fence. We were trying to watch there weight and couldn't figure out why
nothing was working and one day Harold needed to ask our neighbor something
and his ddog was waiting for her stash of goodies. We ffound out this had
been going on a long time.
On 7/31/2013 3:42 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote:
> Yes, I agree with you Marion. I believe that obesity in dogs is a
> problem, but it would be necessary to investigate and find out whether
> or not it is a big enough problem to consider denying ownership. I
> don't think it would be, and I do think there are other methods the
> school can use to help their guide dog users keep their dog's weight
> under control.
>
> I also think that sometimes things happen. People get sick, have a
> hard time for a while, but they get things back on track with their
> dogs. Sometimes the dog can get food from a child or somewhere else,
> and it takes a while for the handeler to notice. We are human; these
> things will happen occasionally. I think the school should be there
> to help us keep our dogs on the right track. They should support us.
>
> On 7/31/13, Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hi, Dar,
>>
>> Seeing Eye has always provided the service of finding a retirement
>> home for their graduate dogs if the handler wants them to do that.
>> The fact that you own the dog does not make any difference with
>> regard to this service. TSE always has a long list of people who
>> would like to provide a home for a retired guide as well as those who
>> want the young dogs who don't make the grade as guides. I have also
>> known of situations where TSE has taken a guide dog back to the
>> school for a few weeks or months while a handler was in the hospital
>> or in poor health but where it was expected that the person would
>> regain function and again be able to care for and use the dog as a
>> guide.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ann
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:32 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Help for obese dogsRE: Control of Guide Dog
>> Issue
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Hello,
>> I remember when this happened with the gentleman who kicked his dog
>> to death.
>> At no time was it discussed on behalf of the dog being over fed and
>> quite heavy.
>> It seems to me each time that this question is asked on behalf of
>> leader, they come up with different excuses.
>> I know it has been said to me, where folks don't want to go back to
>> leader because of the stand.
>> I must say for leader now that I am a diabetic, if my dog was from
>> this school, it would be nice to know when my health gets bad my dog
>> would have a place to go to.
>> I never did ask seeing eye this question.
>> Could I send my dog back to the school if my health gets worse.
>> Then the family wouldn't have to try to place the dog in a home.
>> My husband wouldn't know where to start.
>> So this is an interesting question.
>> Did any other school share what they would do if a problem as a
>> health issue would set person be able to send dog back to school.
>> Dear All,
>>> At our annual meeting during the guide dog training
>>> programs comments about the Bill of Rights, Leader asserted that the
>>> reason for their two-year probationary period was the prevalendce of
>>> obesity among guide dogs. I found this interesting, especially since Mr.
>>> Haneline himself told me that the two-year probationary period was
>>> the result of the handler who kicked his dog to death! Now I wonder
>>> which it really is! In any case, I questioned him about the obesity
>>> issue and
>> was told it is really a problem.
>>> It would be interesting to know some statistics on this. As a
>>> counselor, I practice what is referred to as "Evidence Based
>>> Treatment" (EBT). This means that the treatment is founded on
>>> evidence of success, not merely the belief that it works or
>>> anecdotal information. I am of the opinion that, if this were really
>>> such a problem other training programs would observe similar issue
>>> (replication) and modify their practices to prevent it. Without
>>> evidence that it is an issue, I am unconvinced of the problem and
>>> leery of
>> the its justification to deny ownership based upon a mythical problem!
>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna
>>> Lewis
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Help for obese dogsRE: Control of Guide Dog Issue I
>>> do think overweight and obese dogs are more common nowadays, just
>>> like people! My dog has always been a big boy, and was a bit
>>> overweight, but now he has lost 7 pounds and looks fantastic. He
>>> looks great at 77 pounds. He gained his weight due to not working
>>> for a few weeks on and off, due to me having 8 eye surgeries in less
>>> than a year. But, as soon as we started to work every day, and cut
>>> his food a
>> bit, he slimmed down pretty quickly.
>>> I know this one person, who has a black lab that is severely obese.
>>> He is about 20-22 inches at the shoulders, and weighs at least 115.
>>> The poor thing gets out of breath just from walking a block or two.
>>> The handler goes overboard in feeding this dog. He gives him treats
>>> constantly and I am sure that he eats people food a lot at home. He
>>> is also very misbehaved. The handler will not listen to people when
>>> they kindly make suggestions about the dog's weight. I know that the
>>> school took him away a few years back, and got some of the weight
>>> off. But, as soon as they came back home, he went back to his old
>>> habits. I wish there were something more I could do to help in this
>>> situation. Have any of you witnessed this type of issue. How could
>>> you help out the dog
>> and handler?
>>> Deanna and Pascal
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Guide Dog Users Gwizdala
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Control of Guide Dog Issue Greetings friends,
>>> Hope everyone is well. I did not mean to have the topic get
>>> off of handlers controling their dogs and being accountable in
>>> pertaining to one of the dogs that was involved in my situation
>>> being a pit. I know many are very passionate about taht breed and
>>> feel they are misconceived. I have other feelings on the matter.
>>> However, I agree totally taht no matter what the breed the dog it-
>>> whether lab or
>>> shepherd- that dog can become aggressiveand if not controled or
>>> appropriate steps taken, can have unfortunate consequences. Here is
>>> a topic I am curious about your input on. This subject was brought
>>> up at our convention- that is the issue with obesity of our service
animals.
>>> What arey your thoughts? This was a new issue I was unaware of, if
>>> it is really an issue. Did anyone notice an over weight issue among
>>> service
>> dogs at the convention , those who have some vision?
>>> Thanks
>>
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