[nagdu] Hi

Thu Nov 14 17:51:59 UTC 2013

Hi,
The majority of guide dog schools in the United States don't grant
full ownership. As far as I know, there are only four schools that
grant full ownership out of the fifteen or so in the country.
Just because certain people are concerned with ownership does not mean
everyone has to be. I chose Guiding Eyes, which does not grant full
ownership of the dog. But my desire for an adult golden retriever and
financial assistance overruled anything else other schools had to
offer.
I am beyond sick of people putting down and dissuading people from
attending Fidelco. Obviously, I would never attend this school because
of my breed preference, but I still cannot believe how many people are
very anti Fidelco and believe it is their mission in life to stop as
many people from attending that school as possible. Fidelco is a small
school and trains outstanding dogs so far as I have seen. There are
bad cases that come out of every school, and there are more schools
than just Fidelco that have seemingly repossessed dogs or harnesses
unjustly. Out of all the teams that graduate from Fidelco, how likely
is a graduate to have their dog taken from them? I just do not believe
that this school would train dogs just to repossess them later. How
logical is that? How would that make them look to potential clients
and donors? Come on now!
Choose a school according to your personal judgment, needs, and wants.
Yes, take others opinion into account, but talk to graduates, not just
the bashers on this list.
If I wanted the guarantee of a healthy, stable working, adult German
shepherd and lived within the vicinity of the school, I would choose
Fidelco.
As for the other schools mentioned above. Guiding Eyes offers home
training, but I think that school is only issuing labradors at this
time. It's possible that there's some shepherds waiting to be matched
or in training, but you'd have to call and find out.
As for Leader and GDF, I'd say call to find out if they issue adult
German shepherds, and if they'd be willing to do home training with
you. Fidelco still might be your best bet because they'll likely have
more German shepherds on hand, and may have a match sooner than the
other schools.
Do your homework.

On 11/14/13, barbandzoe at comcast.net <barbandzoe at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I work at a fitness club, I do laundry and locker room attendant I am part
> time right now and have no vacation and sick pay.
>
> I had always though that guide dogs were only for people with no sight, and
> now I find that people who are legally blind can use a guide dog.  I don't
> like using a cane I feel funny.  Plus I have had abit of trouble with night
> and bright day vision since I get glaucoma.   Plus I am in my fifties and go
> home at night and I end up in the best part of town.  I have not had trouble
> yet, but all the people going to the bar and the guys out pan handling, well
> it would be nice to have a friend with me. plus sometimes when I cross so of
> the busier streets, it is a bit of a guessing game.
> Plus I would have had a dog and time ago if I would have known this.
>
> If it is a cane or dog, I will take the dog anyday.
>
> Barb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:28:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Not necessarily.
> Talk to other schools, GDF, Guiding Eyes, Leader, you've got nothing to
> loose.
> Leader Dogs also doesn't grant ownership.
> I'm not sure about Guiding Eyes. GDF does. Any school that doesn't grant
> ownership can take your dog back. Think of it like renting. If that gives
> you the willies, then you do need a school that grants ownership.
> Could you take medical leave or vacation time? Would you want to do this?
> I'm curious, what do you do? And, why do you want a dog now? Maybe if you
> can explain that to your employer, you'll have better luck?
> I had two dogs, and now use a cane. If you like, email me off-list.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for that.  I don't have the option to say it's like taking classes,
> cause we have no classes to take that would help me in my job.  I am a low
> level employee and they can find some one w=else to do my job.
>
> I have herd that about fidelco the taking of the dog. That does bother me.
>  But if I want a dog I would have to go through them because I can't get
> that kind of time off.
>
>
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Barb,
> Talk to your boss and present it as training like computer or other
> training, training that you will use to help make you a better employee.
> Look at your com Pany and see what types of courses they offer, many do
> offer multiweek courses of all kinds.
> I'd approach from that angle.
> As for Fildelco, you have to understand that they don't grant ownership,
> which means they can take your dog at any time for any reason. It's be like
> if I lent you my Ipod, I could come and get it whenever I liked. The school
> may never do this to you, but they do have that option.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:33 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Yes, I have herd about things with fidelco, but I don't know what the issues
> are.   I don't want trouble, and if I find they are to stricked  in some of
> their needs and conditions, I will look into another school.   If the people
> who have dogs from fidelco get this, could they tell me what I may need to
> know. I know Seeing Eye has GSD's but they have a four week program.  How if
> I can get my  boss to let me talk that time, I would go there, or pilot
> dogs.
>
> Thanks
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:46:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Best of luck choosing a school. Whatever school you choose, be sure to
> familiarize yourself with its contract. Some  schools do not grant you full
> ownership of your dog and requires certain conditions be met. There are
> several people who got dogs from Fidelco on this list.
>
>
> Tai
>
> Sent  from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:26 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> II have been looking into Fidelco, mostly because they come to my house
>> and train there for about three weeks, plus I really want a GSD.  It is
>> hard enough to get a couple of days off work two to four weeks would be
>> hard.  I know that I still have to take time off to train with Fidelco,
>> but if I can't get a shift covered, maybe we could use that as a training
>> session.   Plus I have two dogs at home that are my roommates, and the
>> trainer could maybe help with introducing them.
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:49:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>> Welcome to the list. It is my understanding that Guide Dogs for the Blind
>> has a two week training program. They have campuses in California and
>> Oregon. Their website is www.guidedogs.com.
>>
>> Tai
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi am knew to the list, and my name is Barb
>>>
>>> I am looking into getting a guide dog, but haven't gotten any pepper work
>>> yet. I am still looking at schools, but I am finding the 4 weeks away
>>> from home and work a bit much to work around.  I want a dog and hope to
>>> get things started soon.
>>>
>>> Barb
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