[nagdu] walking guide dogs?

[Star Gazer]

Yes, all this. I also got annoyed when you combine Barb's assumptions with
her wanting to get a dog.  It would be logically consistent if she said "all
the guide dogs I've seen are overweight" and "Blind people can't walk their
own dogs" and "Based on what I don't think, I don't want a dog". But, she
didn't say that. 
It came across to me at any rate as "I can do it better then the rest of you
lazy incapable people.  I have no experience, but that doesn't matter,I am
unique and special". 
Finally, it doesn't matter how many pet dogs you've had, or how many dog
trainers you listen to. It doesn't compare with having a guide dog. It's
like saying "I have a ton of nieces and nephews, and I play with the kids in
the neighborhood all the time, so I know what it's like to be a parent." You
may have good insights, but you don't really know what having a guide is
like day in and day out. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:48 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?

Barb
You ask a good question.  Two things...you went directly to having someone
else walk the dog for Jewl.  Typically things like this are suggested
because there is an underlying belief that the blind person can't manage
independently.  We get a lot of that from sighted folks.  The list tends to
be a place where people feel like others will understand what blind people
can do and will support each others independence.  I have no idea what your
beliefs are about the capabilities of blind people or if this is any way
what you were getting at, but I felt like it did come across that way.

Then, you made a generalization that all guide dogs are overweight and not
worked enough.  Again I don't know if you meant only the few guides that
you've seen in person or what.  It came across pretty harsh.  That statement
along with the idea that we can't walk our own dogs felt like we are all fat
and lazy and don't set down the Doritos long enough to get off the couch to
provide exercise for our dogs.

email is hard sometimes, because the same word can mean different things to
different people.  Or omitting a single word by accident can change the
entire meaning.  Or what we thought was perfectly clear to ourselves turned
out to not to be clear at all.  You are new to the list and we don't know
you all that well.  We don't know what's typical for you and know how to
read between the lines.

You asked, so I've explained the best I can from my perspective.  There's no
hard feelings meant.  I would like to get to know you better and hope that
you will continue to post.

Julie




-----Original Message-----
From: barbandzoe at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:27 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?

Ok, when I suggested this to Jewel, I got beat up, mow hear Gary asked the
question in a different form and he is OK,  what did I do wrong.  The only
reason I suggested Jewel maybe have someone else do leash walks of if She
couldn't do them herself.

I don't want trouble I just want  to understand.

Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:34:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?

My dog gets at least one sniffy walk the day. If she didn't, she really
would be even more of a problem with her sniffing, I think. Maybe I should
try doing like you do and do a bunch of smaller sniff sessions.
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:34 PM, GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all:
>
> This lack of speed thread has produced this interesting question for 
> me to ask. I'm curious how many of you walk your dog on leash daily? I 
> know when I was talking to my school about working on heeling Bogart 
> while just on leash they were wondering why would I need to do that.
>
> I take Bogart out for a walk in the morning on leash. If I'm heading 
> to work then it is just half a block where he knows how much time he 
> has to get busy or harness is on and we're on our way. At night I take 
> him for a walk again before going to bed. These aren't long walks, 
> about 15 - 20 minutes weather dependent. I use my cane for walking 
> him. This is where he is allowed to be a sniffy dog but when he is in 
> harness I do not allow him to be sniffy. At lunch at work we go in 
> harness a block from here to the residential street where I take off 
> his harness and we walk a block one direction and then back with him 
> on leash. Then back in harness and off to lunch. After work it's all 
> in harness until the block of my place and then harness off so he can
sniff and relieve himself.
>
> No judgements about right or wrong but I'm curious if others take 
> their guide dogs for walks without the harness.
>
> Cheers
> Gary
>
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