[nagdu] Time-outs for Guide Dogs

Fri Sep 20 03:45:37 UTC 2013

What is a time-out for dogs, exactly, Shanna?
Curiously,
Darla & Huck

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shanna Stichler
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools

A dog with a less sensitive neck is likely not going to respond well to a
martingale. They just won't feel the correction as much, so you will need to
correct a lot harder for the dog to notice. This looks a lot worse to me, as
compared with using a chain slip or even a prong collar but minimal to no
actual leash handling.

Also, positive punishment is a leash correction, verbal admonishment, etc.
In the context of animal behavior, positive means to add something in order
to cause a change in behavior, while negative would mean taking something
away. An example of negative punishment that GDB uses is the time-out
technique, reworking a distraction, etc. How effective those things are will
depend on the dog. Mine thinks time-outs are actually a reward, and simply
stands next to me and watches the distraction, which is typically a small
animal, for instance.

Shanna and Diamond
On 9/19/2013 8:07 PM, Tina Thomas wrote:
> You are giving a leash correction when you tighten the leash to get 
> your dog's attention. The only difference is the collar is made out of 
> nylon so it looks better in public. Also what is this positive 
> punishment GDB is using? Also, My girl is a GSD  with a very strong 
> neck and I think that collar would not be affective. I'm willing to 
> try it for myself. Where can I get this type of collar?
> Tina and the girls
>
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:44 PM
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> Tina,
>
> What do you mean she could snap it in half? The martingail is made of 
> nylon with a middle loop in the middle that tightens up when you do a 
> leash correction.
>
> Minh
>
> On 9/19/13, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What is positive punishment? Also, I am A Seeing Eye Grad, and we do 
>> use leash corrections and we also praise the dogs when they are 
>> exhibiting the desired behavior. As far as clicker training, it was 
>> used to target train the dogs. I have seen the collars that GDB is 
>> currently using, and for me I wouldn't use it on my dog, because I 
>> know
> she would snap it in half.
>> However, the collar looks  more  appealing to the public eye.
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven 
>> Tolliver
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:37 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>
>> I believe the Seeing Eye also uses clicker training. I think they are 
>> starting to phase in treat training as well. Treat training is not 
>> necessary, but food is a primary reinforcer, so it's incredibly useful.
>> I think the Seeing Eye is still correction-heavy with their dogs though.
>> GEB
>> is somewhere between compulsion training and clicker training, 
>> leaning more toward positive reinforcement training. I think GDB is 
>> the most positive with their dogs. They use positive punishment, 
>> positive reinforcement, and negative punishment. Also, they're 
>> issuing a lot, not all, dogs with martingale check collars.
>> Personally, I believe the martingale check should be the norm; I'm 
>> sure it'll happen one day. Most of the dogs that are trained as 
>> guides are eager to please, so it would be nice to see gentler ways 
>> of handling and interacting with them, even when they misbehave.
>>
>> On 9/19/13, L Gwizdak <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Guiding Eyes in New York and Guide Dogs for the Blind in California.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:04 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> How do the different training methods differ between schools? Which 
>>>> schools have begun to use more positive methods of training such as 
>>>> food rewards and clicker training? I'm sorry this question is so 
>>>> vague; however, I am truely curious. It is difficult to determine 
>>>> this kind of information from a training program's website so I 
>>>> thought it would be beneficial to ask those with firsthand 
>>>> experience. Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Danielle
>>>>
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