[nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certificationfor service dogs

L Gwizdak leg1950 at cox.net
Wed Apr 2 22:06:50 UTC 2014 

Hi Dayrl,
Did you say you live in Canada?  If so, that would explain why you see no 
problem with having to present papers to prove your dog is a real service 
dog.

Here in the US we feel quite strongly about that.  With 200+ years of having 
a populace that will protect itself from governmental intrusion, we don't 
like the idea of having to present a document with our name and dog's name 
and a photo to go with it to every Tom, Dick, and Harry in a store, 
restaurant.  Under American law - the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act 
of 1990), there are already clauses that deal with the fake service dogs. It 
spells out the duties of the variety of service dogs.  It spells oout that 
the PERSON with the disability is allowed access accompanied by a TRAINED 
service dog.  The dog has no rights.  Also, the dog cannot be a real problem 
or threat to the wellbeing or safety of others in the place of business.  If 
your dog misbehaves, you can be asked to take the dog out of the business 
but the person can still be in the business.

HTH.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daryl Marie" <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certificationfor 
service dogs


> Forgive me... I don't understand the problem with having papers?
> I have a picture ID card that my school made, and I always carry it in my 
> purse, along with a signed paper from the school saying that we completed 
> the training.  I have never been asked for it, but I don't see a 
> problem... what am i not understanding?
>
> As for fury... perhaps on some level you are right... but my mother is a 
> difficult individual, so I am sure there are undercurrents here...
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 13:49:42 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification for 
> service dogs
>
> Papers?! Where are your papers?! No thanks!
>
> Also, yes, you’re overreacting. Certification as a therapy dog of that 
> sort isn’t the same at all as service dog access, nor can it be extended 
> or passed off as such, at least not in the US. And I think that US laws 
> are probably a bit more liberal than Canadian provincial ones. You have 
> nothing to worry about, and your fury is misdirected.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes you are. The dog will help people. Your mom is clear in the goals and 
>> her dog will have behavioral standards it will have to meet. The kids 
>> will be learning to read to a being that won't criticize them in any way. 
>> Some may develop a love of reading or a love of dogs. Some may just 
>> remember the nice lady who cared enough to show up at school with her 
>> dog. Why are you so upset?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I am at this point furious with my mother.  She is wanting to "license" 
>>> her Bouvier dog as a "service dog" to be able to go into schools and 
>>> libraries to have kids read to him... or something. It's great for their 
>>> self-esteem!
>>>
>>> Granted he is a reasonably well-behaved dog (as evidenced by the grand 
>>> total of 12 hours I spent with him).. but this just makes me mad!  Am I 
>>> overreacting? I don't know....
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 12:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification 
>>> for    service dogs
>>>
>>> Oh boy... I don't even know where to start.
>>> All I can say is, that if these people hope to change the law to fall in 
>>> line with this resolution, they're going to have one heck of a fight on 
>>> their hands.
>>> I'm not keen on some schmuck at walmart being able to demand some kind 
>>> of paperwork from me with who knows what kind of personal information on 
>>> it to prove something.  The law already has outlined the things a person 
>>> can ask, and a service animal can be judged by its behavior, and if 
>>> someone puts enough time into training their pet so that it is as well 
>>> behaved as a service dog, frankly I don't care if it's in public.
>>> The key here is task training, and if dogs are behaving badly, are not 
>>> house trained, are being disruptive, then as outlined in the law, the 
>>> owner can be, and should be, asked to remove the dog.
>>> Lastly, if anyone finds a self trained service dog, do let me know!  I'd 
>>> sure would love a dog who could train itself.  Would save me a ton of 
>>> work!
>>>
>>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:44 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here is something that will impact guide dog users and service dog 
>>>> users that I got on another list.
>>>>
>>>> This resolution to be presented at the CCB convention in California was 
>>>> drafted to address the problems of fake service dogs.  What do you all 
>>>> think?  Could this be a remedy to the problem of people passing off 
>>>> their pets as service dogs in places of public accomidation?  I wonder 
>>>> if this may be the only was or is there another way.
>>>>
>>>> Here it is pasted below:
>>>>
>>>> Whereas: Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act defines the 
>>>> rights
>>>> of people with disabilities to access places of public accommodation, 
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas: These access rights are extended to service animal handlers as
>>>> defined in the 2011 ADA Accessibility Guidelines, and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas: These service animal access rights are also guaranteed by 
>>>> numerous
>>>> state and local statutes, and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, Due to weaknesses in the relevant legislation and the general
>>>> ignorance that exists about the legal definition of service animals and 
>>>> of
>>>> their access rights, there exists an epidemic of persons fraudulently
>>>> bringing their pets into places of public accommodation under the 
>>>> pretext
>>>> that they are service animals, and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, The presence and bad behavior of fake service animals in 
>>>> places of
>>>> public accommodation places the access rights of legitimate service 
>>>> animal
>>>> handlers at risk, Therefore be it
>>>>
>>>> Resolved by Guide Dog Users of California meeting at the Arden West 
>>>> Hilton
>>>> Hotel in Sacramento, California on April 12, 2014 that this 
>>>> organization
>>>> shall strive to put an end to service animal fraud by  actively
>>>> participating in a coalition of like-minded groups to advocate for the
>>>> following changes in law and to engage in  other related activities.
>>>>
>>>> 1. The coalition shall seek changes to ADA regulations and to other 
>>>> relevant
>>>> federal statutes and regulations  as follows.
>>>>
>>>> 1.1. The ADA regulations must be amended to permit providers of public
>>>> accommodations to require service animal handlers to show documentation 
>>>> to
>>>> verify the status of their animals as a condition for extending their
>>>> accommodation rights to their animals.
>>>>
>>>> 1.2. Federal law must permit states and local governments to enact 
>>>> service
>>>> animal licensure requirements to make it easier for providers of public
>>>> accommodations to distinguish service animals from pets, provided that 
>>>> such
>>>> licensure requirements do not impede the access rights of service 
>>>> animal
>>>> handlers and that the licensure requirements are no more costly than 
>>>> those
>>>> imposed on pet owners..
>>>>
>>>> 1.3. Federal law must  restrict  the interstate sale of service animal
>>>> identification products to legitimate service animal training programs 
>>>> and
>>>> to individuals who can provide proof of the status of their service 
>>>> animals.
>>>> Vendors who fail to follow these requirements must be subject to fines 
>>>> large
>>>> enough to discourage the traffic in fake service animal products.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The coalition must develop model state laws and regulations as 
>>>> described
>>>> below and then advocate throughout the nation for the enactment of 
>>>> these
>>>> statutes.
>>>>
>>>> 2.1. States must implement service animal license laws compliant with 
>>>> item
>>>> 1.2 above.  These laws must provide for the licensing of animals issued
>>>> through recognized training programs and also provide for the licensing 
>>>> of
>>>> self-trained service animals.
>>>>
>>>> 2.2. States must enact prohibitions on the intrastate sale of 
>>>> fraudulent
>>>> service animal identification products that are comparable to the
>>>> prohibitions described in item 1.3.
>>>>
>>>> 3. The Coalition shall develop and execute an education campaign to 
>>>> inform
>>>> the public about the definition of a service animal, about the access 
>>>> rights
>>>> of service animal handlers and about the negative consequences of and 
>>>> the
>>>> legal penalties for service animal fraud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank Welte
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mardi Hadfield" 
>>>> <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] It's a go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jewel, good luck in your class.Hope you get that special dog and have 
>>>>> many
>>>>> years of partnership.I hope you won't get rained on to much,lol.Have a
>>>>> great time in class. Mardi and Shaman and Neechee.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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