[nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early

Fri Feb 28 15:00:01 UTC 2014

as far as I know it was that aprticular trainer and I've seen other 
trainers discussing things like this with handlers. pilot but that 
trainer is no longer there.
On 2/27/2014 10:45 PM, Nicole Torcolini wrote:
> Okay, replying to a couple of messages in one.
> Sheila: Was that the practice of that particular trainer, or did the whole
> school do it that way? What school was that?
> Aleeha: That is interesting that you could not find a halty that fit. What
> part of it was too loose?
> Raven: Okay, then they changed/improved the halties since we bought the one
> for the pet dog over ten years ago. At that time, there was no way to adjust
> the nose band, and there was no safety clip. What we did was to hook the
> leash through both the halty ring and the collar ring. We started doing this
> after our dog managed to back out of her halty.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:11 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>
> Hi Sheila.
> It would really bug me if a trainer did something that was affecting my
> dog's work, and didn't tell me he was going to do it.  It feels
> disrespectful.
> I expect you were annoyed, too.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sheila" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>
>
>> It never occurred to me that Tres would go that crazy. My first dog tried
>> to refuse to walk. We were in training and I didn't know the trainer had
>> put a haltee or gentle leader on his I don't know which one it was. I got
>> upset because I didn't know what was wrong with my dog. The trainer told
>> me that if he told people he was using the device people would refuse to
>> work the dog on the  particular day. If I had known what was happening
>> with my dog my reaction would have been completely different. This was
>> with my first dog drake not Tres.
>> On 2/27/2014 9:34 AM, Daryl Marie wrote:
>>> Oh wow!
>>>
>>> Jenny doesn't like the Halti that much, but she won't complain about it
>>> unless we get home and I haven't taken it off yet. LOL  She won't fight
>>> me, but occasionally will do the face-against-leg thing.
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: sheila <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:30:20 -0700 (MST)
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>>>
>>> Tres literally hates gentle leaders he tried to jump over the back of a
>>> chair and also my head as well as my son's head to get away. We finally
>>> got it on but he managed to get his nose out of it. He won't even look
>>> at one
>>> On 2/26/2014 7:03 PM, Nicole Torcolini wrote:
>>>> I wish that GDB did this. They issue a gentle leader, or at least they
>>>> did
>>>> in 2007. We were required to use it once. I think that I did something
>>>> that
>>>> made Lexia really not like it; but I honestly  don't know what I did. I
>>>> think that she might have liked a halty better. I don't like the way
>>>> that
>>>> the gentle leader pulls tight around the dog's nose and does not loosen.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>> Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:56 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>>>>
>>>> Hi Daryl,
>>>> I'm glad the Halti is working for you! Many people are very anti head
>>>> collar. It's good to see you tried it and are having success.
>>>> Just remember that to work on scavenging and sniffing, it's important to
>>>> practice at home with things like "leave it" and teaching your dog how
>>>> to
>>>> react to, or ignore, food on the floor or ground without the Halti on.
>>>> The
>>>> leg work is certainly worth it. I have taught extremely nosy beagles,
>>>> black
>>>> labs, and pitbulls to ignore food via self restraint or on cue. It took
>>>> more
>>>> time than it did with other dogs, but they get the hang of it.
>>>> Guiding Eyes  actually issues the Halti among other collars with each
>>>> dog.
>>>> Or, at least they did when I attended. Everyone doesn't need one all the
>>>> time, but I have found myself in situations where the Halti was useful.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/26/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Darla,
>>>>> I have a Halti for jenny. Without knowing it, I bought the Halti (or
>>>>> something very VERY similar as per Raven's description).  It has made
>>>>> working with Jenny SO much easier!  her scavenging has exponentially
>>>>> decreased (maybe once every trip or two, compared to ALL THE TIME),
>>>>> and I have full confidence that with a little more hard work it will
>>>>> almost disappear in time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:01:27 -0700 (MST)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>>>
>>>>> I concur with Darrel; I'd be curious to know, though I am going to do
>>>>> as Raven suggests and get a haltie.
>>>>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>>>
>>>>> Jewel,
>>>>> While I am new to guide dogs, I don't have any advice regarding how to
>>>>> let go and ways to love a new dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> May  I ask what Faye was doing re scavenging/sniffing that prompted
>>>>> the trainer and you to come to this decision?  I am curious, as I have
>>>>> a scavenger...
>>>>>
>>>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny doggie donut
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:11:24 -0700 (MST)
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>>>
>>>>> Retiring a dog early
>>>>> An instructor from my school came this weekend and assessed Faye's
>>>>> behavior issues, specifically scavenging and sniffing. We decided
>>>>> together it would be best to return Faye to the school and start the
>>>>> intake for a new dog. I put so much love and time into this
>>>>> relationship over the past eight months I have had her, I am having
>>>>> trouble dealing with this. Is there any advice on how to enjoy the
>>>>> last of the time I have with her and how to let go when I must? I am
>>>>> also afraid of not being able to put as much love into my next guide
>>>>> dog relationship. Did you find it easy to fall in love with a successor
>>>> dog?
>>>>> Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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