[nagdu] O&M skills

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Fri Jan 31 16:47:13 UTC 2014 

Would they come to Montreal?

Amanda

> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> i KNOW SOME FOLKS WILL DO IT PRIVATELY BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PAY THEM. L
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
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> 
>> Me too. I live in Montreal and am forever on a waiting list.
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:22 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Melissa.
>>> Please do ask.  I think there are lots of people who'd like to know, including me.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I wonder if there is a way to get around being a client of rehab just to get
>>>> services like O&M.
>>>> there just has to be a way.
>>>> I have a really good instructor who also worked at a guide dog school.
>>>> Not all people are working or going to school.
>>>> they just want to live their life.
>>>> Might have to ask my instructor.
>>>> I am curious now.
>>>> best wishes,
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Melissa R Green
>>>> "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
>>>> staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Julie M.
>>>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Being afraid to go out is very sad.  It also
>>>> disgusts me to hear of people who want to get training but can't find anyone
>>>> to provide it.  It ought to be a basic thing provided by any state agency
>>>> for the blind, to help any blind person who asks for it get timely training
>>>> in O&M.  Is there anything we can do about this?  And I don't mean just
>>>> telling everyone to take several months out of their lives to attend an NFB
>>>> center.  That's useful, but not always practical, IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> Hector Chevigny, in My Eyes Have A Cold Nose, wrote that he thought it was
>>>> better for newly-blinded people to get a dog and get on about their lives,
>>>> rather than waiting on some agency for service forever, and, often enough,
>>>> being taught by the agency that he or she needed sighted help for
>>>> everything.  Now, that was written in the 1940's or early '50's, but I can
>>>> still see some merit in the argument.
>>>> It's a darned good thing that Leader has its cane class.  I wish there were
>>>> more options for people who can't seem to get the services they need.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Tracey,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with you, and that's a great speech.  I think it's great to
>>>>> work on O&M skills, but some people just have a harder time with
>>>>> directions and orientation.  Does that mean this should stop them?
>>>>> No.  But it does mean that they have to ask for help more often when
>>>>> finding a particular place or navigating somewhere for the first time.
>>>>> It's about independence: getting where you need to go with no
>>>>> inconvenience to yourself or others.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The tools we use to do this don't matter as much as that we are
>>>>> getting out there and doing what we want to accomplish.  We all know
>>>>> people who's skills may not be as good or who may not do things the
>>>>> "right" way--or so we think, but let's work harder to encourage those
>>>>> people who don't go anywhere, feel like they can't travel, or are too
>>>>> afraid to get training of any kind.  Those cases to me are truly sad.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/30/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I couldn't agree more, and sadly, we will see more peo9ple without
>>>>>> skills perhaps as good as yours or mine, but if you can do what you need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do, in a manner that is comfortable for you, far be it for me to judge
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> independence or lack thereof.
>>>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While I agree that good orientation skills are an excellent thing, and
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> using a dog a lot better for both partners, I've known some people who
>>>>>> didn't seem capable of finding their way out of the proverbial paper bag,
>>>>>> and yet used the dog effectively to get where they wanted to go.
>>>>>> A late lamented friend of mine always seemed confused about which way to
>>>>>> go,
>>>>>> but he travelled all over the country and the world, going places I'm
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> I'll never go.  Was he the ideal dog user?  No.  Did he get where he
>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>> to go, when he wanted to get there?  Absolutely.  Yet he was sneered at
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> people who seldom stepped outside their familiar routes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I recommend people read, or re-read, Jernigan's essay, The Nature of
>>>>>> Independence, which I'm sure is somewhere on nfb.org. Dr. Jernigan argues
>>>>>> persuasively that getting where you want to go when you want to go is the
>>>>>> quintessence of independence, and judging others for how they accomplish
>>>>>> that goal is not particularly useful.
>>>>>> All I'm trying to say is, we can encourage people to improve their O&M
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> high standard, and help them find the resources they need to do so, but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> look down on them if they're unable to do it, or assume that, if their
>>>>>> O&M
>>>>>> doesn't seem excellent, that they are not independent people getting
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> they want to go.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>>> life."
>>>>> John 3:16
>>>>> 
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