[nagdu] working/assistant/service dogs

Thu Jun 5 14:22:17 UTC 2014

all,
Very interesting thread. And I think that Larry, brings up a very good question. Are there laws for working dogs? Working dogs like bomb sniffing dogs, drug sniffing dogs, but bug dogs. And is there a list of tasks that each of those working dogs does in comparison to an assistance/service dog? What sets them apart?
I think, speaking as the moderator, as long as we keep this on target, in regards to guide dogs, service dogs, assistant dogs, then it is on topic for this list.
Thank you,

Marsha drenth  
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> On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Larry D Keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, Raven and Nicole, seeing as I started this thread because I was fascinated that this dog could sniff out even a couple of bedbugs I thaught Nicole was right. But as so often happens when I get my wrist slapped in public, I started thinking! Could I have refused the dog coming in? Or could a nursing home refuse? Or, if the woman happened to want to stop for a bite would she have to leave her heat sensative equipment in the car? The dog was well trained so that at least isn't the issue. Also members of the Canine unit are allowed in other places as well. And now that dogs are being trained to sniff out drugs, bombs diseases and bedbugs it seems that it may become harder to refuse them into businesses. Is there a working dog law as well as a service dog one? and, are there certain jobs listed for those working dogs that make it ok to go into public places and others, and here I'm thinking of herding dogs or hunting dogs, that can't go into places. If you go to the doctor and there is a diabetes or cancer sniffing dog, can you refuse to have the doctor use it? Well, actually I do know the answer to that one, yes! But at least in the case of the bedbug sniffer dogs may be much more efficent! If we can clog up the list with all of this fake service dog stuff why not think about the dogs who, like our dogs have relevant jobs to do! After all, a well trained dog is a well trained dog no matter what its job is! Sure, this list is about guide dogs and the issues surrounding them but sometimes dogs that aren't guide dogs often perform amazing and often unthaught of taks. Dogs have been awarded metals for some of those jobs and I'm glad that sometimes are guide dogs get some of that recognition. I had to take my dogs outside for about 10 minutes and her dog was done before that! They went threw the whole house and nothing was detected. I was talking to her about the dogs training and she told me it was at least a couple of months long and was like that of drug sniffing dogs. I mean, those bugs are the size of grains of rice and she said that he could detect them even if there wer only a couple. Iether those things really stink or that nose is really sensative! Well, sorry I disturbed some of you with my currisities but, I really did think that golden boy had an amazing nose!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven Tolliver via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
> 
> 
>> IMO, these are definitely service dogs (i.e., bomb-sniffing dogs, drug
>> dogs, police dogs, and so on). I would classify those dogs that aid
>> persons with disabilities as assistance dogs. That might not be the
>> government's definition of service dog, but it wouldn't be the first
>> time I thought they got it wrong.
>> 
>>> On 6/4/14, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Can we please close this thread? No, I am not the moderator, but,
>>> JMHO, this is pushing the limit for what is considered on topic. Yes, this
>>> is related to dogs, but it is not related to service  dogs. I don't know
>>> what you would call these dogs, perhaps working dogs, but they are not
>>> service dogs. We all know this, and the general public does not need us to
>>> add to their confusion on the definition of service dog. Finally, this
>>> conversation seems to have taken a turn such that information that does not
>>> necessarily belong on this list is being presented.
>>> 
>>> Going to hide under my rock now,
>>> Nicole
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:48 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>> 
>>> From what I understand, the dog doesn't smell the
>>> man's genitils, he or she sniffs the urine.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>> 
>>> Lol! I feel like taut would be so awkward for the poor men. Well anyway, it
>>> is quite interesting the things dogs can do. They perform services for
>>> disabilities and many other jobs alike. It is neat!
>>> Alyssa
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That's easy.  He's a working dog, like a police dog, or a bomb-sniffer
>>> dog. I heard recently that dogs can sniff out prostate cancer better than
>>> any lab test.  Guess that's another kind of lab test--a labrador test!
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Heaps via nagdu"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> That's really funny.  Not to pick nits (a different kind of bug), but
>>>>> a
>>> dog that finds bed bugs wouldn't really be a service dog -- though it
>>> performs a service I suppose we all would find really valuable.  How would
>>> you classify Bedbug Doug the Bedbug Dog?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Craig and Chase, who as far as I know is bug free
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D Keeler via nagdu"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is slightly off topic but it does concern dogs. This morning,
>>>>>> they
>>> inspected us for bedbugs. I thaught they would bring over chemicals and
>>> generally disturb everything looking for them. Well no! They braught a
>>> golden retriever and he is trained to sniff them out! he found none. I
>>> found
>>> this really interesting. The noses! I was teasing the woman who had the
>>> dog.
>>> I read a story about a guy named Bedbug Doug. I figured that Bedbug Doug
>>> the
>>> Bedbug Dog would sound great!
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