[nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?

Mon May 5 21:46:21 UTC 2014

Tracy,

One benefit of owner-training -- for me, at least -- is that I could 
train my dog to run free and use my own judgment about when and where to 
let her do that. /smile/ That's also a factor on my list of reasons I 
intend to owner-train again, when it comes right down to it. When I was 
first training and working my dog, I had numb hands and would drop the 
harness handle and leash both, so it was a good thing she would come 
when I called and knew how to behave without my having hold of her! That 
isn't so much a problem anymore (though I managed somehow a few weeks 
ago, much to my own disgust), but we do enjoy a number of activities for 
fun and exercise that we couldn't if she didn't have that training. I've 
heard various reasons why the US programs are so against free running 
and off leash training, but I'm not sure I truly understand them. Then 
again, if I got a dog from a program, it probably wouldn't have that 
foundation training when it was young, so I would be much more cautious 
than I am with my current dog, in addition to honoring any agreement or 
contract with the program.

Tami

On 05/05/2014 12:43 PM, Tracy Lloyd wrote:
> Hi, yes off-leash recall is part of the dog's training from a very early
> age.  we free run our dogs over here so it's important the dog has a
> solid recall and will come back when called.
>
> tracy from the UK.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Marie
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:21 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
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> Canada also teaches off-leash recall... or at least BC/AB Guide Dogs
> does. The president of the school is British, so perhaps this is the
> reason for this.  I can't speak for any other schools... my Canadian
> friends who received guides from American schools have had to work on
> off-leash recall on their own.
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:16:05 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
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> Very interesting Vivianna.
> I was in England on a youth exchange many years ago. I did meet some folks
> with guide dogs, though I didn't know enough about guide dogs to know if
> they were well behaved.
> I did get the impression that these folks, as well as everybody else felt
> that the government had done this really wonderful thing by providing them
> with dogs.
> I'd love to talk more with you about this as one of the critisisms of u.s.
> schools is that they do not train off leash recall like the European
> schools.
> If ou'd like, write me off list.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:05 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
>
> all this talk of ownership and the policies of different schools has me
> wondering about other countries.
> i know that, in the UK not only do they give you the dog, all its food for
> life, all the vet bills for life, board if you go out of town, and who
> knows
> what else but, they tell you when to retire the dog and come and take it
> from you when they say it's time to retire the dog.
> i know many many folks there have guide dogs simply because it's a free
> deal.  the ones that i have seen were extremely misbehaved in my opinion.
> jumping on people, barking, running around at the end of the leash.
> i will venture to say that blind folks here in the states, and even in
> canada are leaps and bounds ahead of most of the world in the independence
> department.
> sure, it's nifty to have everything pertaining to the dog and it's care
> given to you for free but, i'd rather pay for everything on my own and make
> my own decisions on how to feed my dog, what vet to take her to, etc.
> i know, i know, yet another contraversial topic.  smiley.
>
> Vivianna
>
>
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