[nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

[Tracy Carcione]

I am rather taken aback by the idea that donors and recipients are separate,
and recipients must be grateful to donors.  I am both a donor and a
recipient, and I know plenty of other people who are, as well.  Sure, my
donations don't add up to the whole cost of my guide dog, but most people's
don't; it just adds up collectively.
Being a donor makes me feel I have another stake in the organization.  I
want them to use my money wisely and well to give others, and me, the best
dogs possible.
Might I suggest, if someone feels like a recipient who must be grateful for
anything given, that person consider scaring up a bit of cash and making a
donation?  It doesn't have to be a lot.  Then you could be grateful to
yourself, I guess. I find it rather empowering, myself.
Tracy


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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of margo and isis
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

When people were discussing this resolution, I kept hearing about our dogs
are gifts given to us and all this money is being paid so we can have guide
dogs.  Yes, a guide dog is one way to independently travel but I think many
people are romanticizing this or something.

Margo and Isis

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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:22 AM
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Howard,
Where would we be if people didn't give of their money for guide dogs?
We'd figure it out.  This attitude of being grateful for other people's
charity is IMHO part of the problem.  It takes away or tries to take away a
person's power.  Being told that we should be grateful for the kindness of
others because where would we be without it is something the NFB has fought
for over 75 zears to combat.  
Where would we be without NAC?  Where would we be without schools for the
blind, for countless kinds of charity that we are told to accept be quiet
and be grateful to have. 
Charity comes with a cost, as you said, and I, for one, will not pay it. 
The guide dog programs get quite a bit from their graduates.  The trainers
and support staff get pretty well-paying jobs.  The organization gets great
PR.  The graduates are a fundimental part of the process and without them
there would be no training programs.  So rather than being treated like
children who should be grateful, we should be treated like partners.  With
all the respect and mutual accord that involves. 


 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:13 AM, "Howard J. Levine via nagdu"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the NFB membership got it correct on
the
> question of ownership by the school. In the united states we do not use
> public funds and the government does not provide guide dogs to blind. The
> schools use private funds and they answer to ones who give of there
private
> funds. The ones who pay for our guide dogs call the shops, it cost lot of
> money to provide guide dogs. It cost about fifty thousand dollars to
provide
> guide to blind person. There is no free lunches in world when you get
> something for free or little to no cost you give something up. If blind
> people want respect then we need to come another way to fund cost of
guide
> dog teams in this country or just pull out your check book and pay for
guide
> dog if you want owner ship that how simple it is. Just look at what is
going
> on in Greece you can't have cake and eat it. Just look at our health care
> system when it is free to all then you just get crap. I don't care if I
> don't own my guide dog I am happy that there are others who are willing
to
> pay and lay out large anounts money so I can have guide dog. Where would
we
> be if there would not be others willing to give funds so  we could have
> guide dogs free or little cost.
> 
> 
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