[nagdu] Flat curbs

[Daryl Marie]

Here, we have the "blended" curbs with the wheelchair ramps, but there's still a difference between the street and the sidwalk. When I was in downtown Toronto, there were a couple of areas into side streets that it just looked like a dip in elevation to a driveway/parking lot. We don't stop at those unless there are cars, because there are so many of them here that we would be stopped every twenty feet!

Daryl

 ----- Original Message ----- From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [nagdu] Flat curbs  Yes, the Golden Guy stops for color changes in the sidewalk too! I thought it was very odd until one of my sighted friends suggested it. But it makes perfect sense. -- Raven You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or what you do. Naturally-reared guide dogs https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs On 6/11/15, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: > When I got dogs from San Rafael, where there were a lot of flat curbs, the > dogs were very good with them. I think they looked at the color change, > because they would sometimes stop for a color change on the sidewalk, in > case it was a curb. > I think Krokus and I only encountered one flat curb in Morristown, and he > did well with it, but it was on a route he'd been trained on. Here, we > have > very few, and most of the ones we do have have the foot braille (great > term, > Rox), and he stops for that. > Tracy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The Pawpower > Pack > via nagdu > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:07 PM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: The Pawpower Pack > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Flat curbs > > Raven, > I'm also curious about this. My neighborhood is full of these curbs, and > my > dogs are trained with them from the start, so I would not expect them to > have trouble. I'm wondering if dogs who are trained with the standard cut > curbs get much exposure to the blended curbs. Also, I wonder if, in their > dog mind, they relate stoping with a change in elevation and not with > color, > or contrast. I think my dogs do like you suggest, and stop for color from > sidewalk to street, or they will always stop on the foot braille/ trunkated > domes. > > I'm just not clear on the kind of training programs put into this skill. > > Rox and the kitchen Bitches: > Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil > Pawpower4me at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote: >> >> Why are these a challenge for some guide dogs? I mean, it was a >> challenge for the Golden Guy in the winter because everything was >> blanketed in white. But There are a number of places around Michigan >> with the flush curbs, and he does just fine when there's no snow. >> I thought the dogs are trained to look for a change in color, not just >> a change in elevation. This is why they'll stop at parking lots too, >> not just street crossings. Am I mistaken about this? >> -- >> Raven >> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you >> have or what you do. >> >> Naturally-reared guide dogs >> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs >> >>> On 6/11/15, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> Hi Daryl. >>> Some of the curbs in downtown Great Falls are totally flat, no >>> difference between the sidewalk and the street that I could tell. If >>> I lived there, I'd lobby for at least putting in those rubber bumps. >>> We have some of those here where I live, and in some cases they're >>> pretty helpful in marking the part of the curb where the crosswalk >>> is. >>> Tracy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl >>> Marie via nagdu >>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:11 AM >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >>> Cc: Daryl Marie >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Krokus's adventure >>> >>> Tracy, >>> >>> jenny loved Montana too when we were there last year. She didn't get >>> sick, but her stool was quite runny, and we think it might have been >>> the change in water. But sounds like he had a great time! >>> >>> What do you mean by "flat" curbs? If they are what I'm picturing, >>> Jenny had the same problem in Toronto where there was little or no >>> difference between the concrete of the sidewalk and the concrete of >>> the road (not just a wheelchair access ramp, but NO difference); freaked > people out... >>> >>> Daryl >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Carcione via nagdu >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association >>> of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tracy Carcione >>> <carcione at access.net> >>> Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 06:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [nagdu] Krokus's >>> adventure My husband and I just got back from a vacation, visiting >>> my sister at our folks' old place in Montana. It was Krokus's first >>> plane trip, but he handled it like a pro. He even used the indoor >>> relief area at the Minneapolis airport. Poky Krokie transformed into >>> superspeedy Krokus. He actually pulled hard, which he never does, and >>> I had to steady him, which I've never done before. I hope he keeps >>> some speediness, now we're back home. However, it's getting very hot, >>> so we'll see. He had a wonderful time, sniffing around the big yard, >>> smelling rabbits, digging in molehills, eating grass and >>> Goddess-knows-what. I heard him pulling up grass like a cow. Or he'd >>> just stand and sniff the wind, blowing across the prairie. He >>> enjoyed lying near me, hanging out in the shade, too. He threw up the >>> first night, but I think it was just all the excitement, because he >>> was fine after that. We both enjoyed zipping along wide, fairly >>> uncrowded sidewalks. There are a few places around here like that, >>> but not too many. He didn't do great with the very flat curbs, but >>> there aren't really any around here, so he hasn't have much >>> experience with them. Anyway, we had a great time, and he was a good >>> boy, > despite being a >>> very excited puppy. 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