[nagdu] GEB Ownership

Wed Mar 11 01:50:14 UTC 2015

Hi all,

I am also a GEB graduate twice over.  Do I wish their ownership policy
was different?  Yes.

The first time I went to Guiding Eyes I didn't even consider ownership
policy in my research.  I was 17 years old and didn't really
understand what it meant.  I thought the dog was mine even if they
kept the "title" as they call it.  And honestly, that is what it
seems.  They didn't force follow up visits, check up on me, or
anything like that.  They did let me know when they were there at
conventions and helped me oout when I asked for it with training
advice and visits.

When my first dog retired, I decided to go back.  They were very
supportive of me and expected me to find a home for her.  I chose GEB
again because I like having the trainer support they offer.  Their
follow up is fantastic.  And honestly, even though there are other
schools that grant ownership policy, those schools do not appeal to me
for other reasons.  I do not want a large class size, and I want to
train in lots of different environments, including large cities.

I will do what I can to make my feelings about ownership known to them.

On 3/10/15, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Raven,
>
> 	It is good to know you have had a good experience with GEB. Not
> everyone has!
>
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:58 AM
> To: Danielle Burton; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GEB Ownership
>
> I am a Guiding Eyes graduate.
> Yes, there is a 2-year probationary period before ownership can be
> transferred.
> In order to file for ownership of your dog after 2 years, you must have
> completed the annual Health and Work Report for both years.
> Whether you own the dog or not, GEB retains ownership of the collar and
> harness.
> One of the provisions in the graduate contract is that you agree to
> complete
> an annual Health and Work report. However, this provision of the agreement
> is not enforced. It has been acknowledged by GEB staff that less than 40
> percent of grads complete this annual report.
> There's a GEB grad counsel member on the list, so hopefully she'll correct
> me if that statistic is incorrect.
> Technically, completing the Health and Work report is not mandatory outside
> of ownership terms. I have had my dog for more than two years, and I have
> not completed a Health and Work report. I also don't plan on fussing over
> ownership. I am comfortable with the choice of school that I made, and I do
> not fear that my dog will be taken away from me without GEB trying their
> best to arrive at a workable solution.
> --
> Raven
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
> what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
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> On 3/9/15, Danielle Burton via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm a GEB graduate and yes you do have to submit health and work
>> reports once a year. They're not very long but they are required and
>> you cannot apply for ownership until 2 years after your graduation.
>> Hope this clarifies things.
>> Danielle and Willa
>> Email: danielleburton94 at gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    As far as I know, Guiding eyes for the Blind (GEB) has a two year
>>> probationary period. I believe they also require their consumers to
>>> have their vet complete a health evaluation form each year, even
>>> after they transfer ownership. Clarification of this would be greatly
> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>> and,
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby
>>> Phillips via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:27 AM
>>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com; semisweetdebby at gmail.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School
>>>
>>> You might want to look at Guiding EYES.  They produce some great
>>> dogs, the training is very good, I'm told, (the Director of training
>>> was my first instructor at Seeing Eye).  I'm not sure what their
>>> ownership policy is.
>>> I
>>> almost applied there before I got Neena, but at the last moment, I
>>> just couldn't make the change.  I've been getting dogs from TSE since
>>> 1981.  I have concerns too about some of the direction then are
>>> going, and concerns about their ability to do good follow up.  But
>>> for me, I just couldn't make the change.  Neena is a great dog, and I
>>> love how she works.  We will see, in the future, if I need follow-up
>>> if it will happen or not.  Good luck with your search.    Peace,
>>> Debby with Neena
>>>
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-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
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