[NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs can be registered

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Mon Jan 18 14:12:49 UTC 2016 

So? Then they shouldn't be allowed access with their service dogs then. Pretty simple. Our rights are not, nor should they be, absolute. 

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> On Jan 18, 2016, at 9:07 AM, larry d keeler via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well Buddy, I have seen people who are really inept in handling they're
> service dogs and can't control them either! 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs can
> be registered
> 
> The way to distinguish "fake" ones from "real" ones is training. Behavior is
> a good start there. Personally, I couldn't give two craps whether a dog is
> "fake" or "real" if it isn't disruptive and isn't bothering me and my dog,
> or anyone else for that matter. Florida seems to be on the right track here,
> punishing the *people* who are doing the faking, not the ones who are
> actually doing what they're supposed to be doing. 
> 
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> 
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> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:10 AM, larry d keeler via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Owner-trained dogs have always been some kind of issue! Don't know. I'd
>> personally get them certified with the state somehow but, I know some
>> trainers would object. If we complain about fake service animals, then we
>> have to have a way to distinguish them from real working ones. If we just
>> base it on dog and human behaviors, then we have other issues. The big
> thing
>> with our new law is that we have taken out certain things to bring it up
> to
>> date. I'm sure we can blast it and the voluntary ID thing forever but, the
>> point is that we have cleaned up the old statute and we now have a new one
>> with more modern thinking.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:11 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs
> can
>> be registered
>> 
>> What happens to the folks who train their own dogs?
>> just doesn't seem respectful.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Sure, the patch is entirely voluntary, but I am not sure how much that 
>>> matters. People don't understand those demarkations. When someone at 
>>> your local pub says you can't bring the dog in here, and you give the 
>>> ADA stuff, they can still say, "Yes, but you need to have it 
>>> registered." Least that's how it feels to me.
>>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of larry d 
>>> keeler via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:03 PM
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>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: larry d keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service 
>>> dogs can be registered
>> 
>>> The patch again is entirely voluntary. They can not! Ask for ID.
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne And 
>>> Harley via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:45 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Wayne And Harley
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service 
>>> dogs can be registered
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> In this case, as in California, or any other state, the law that 
>>> grants the most protection to the Service Dog Owner will apply. In the 
>>> case of someone going through Michigan with an unpatched Service Dog,  
>>> the protections of the ADA would pertain.
>> 
>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>> 
>>> Wayne M. Scace
>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Marianne Denning via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: 1/16/2016  15:42  (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>, Tina Thomas 
>>> <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs
>> can
>>>       be registered
>> 
>>> This concerns me because if I travel to MI and don't have one of those 
>>> patches will I be harassed by business owners?  What happens then?  I 
>>> know it says "people can," but that may be interpreted by business 
>>> owners as "people must."
>> 
>>> Thanks for this update.
>> 
>>> On 1/16/16, Tina Thomas via NAGDU  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> From: seeing-eye at googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:seeing-eye at googlegroups.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Sue Martin
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:22 AM
>>>> To: seeing-eye at googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: [seeing-eye] New law in Michigan: Service dogs can be 
>>>> registered
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> From:
>>>> http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/2016/01/14/new-law-updating-se
>>>> r vice-animal-rules-takes-effect-soon/78812092/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WZZM) -- Next week, a new state law goes into 
>>>> effect updating Michigan's rules on service animals.
>> 
>>>> The state's Department of Civil Rights held a news conference in 
>>>> Grand Rapids Thursday to outline the new law. It provides a chance 
>>>> for people who use service animals to register them with the state. 
>>>> Once registered, those people will receive an official state patch 
>>>> that can be attached to the harness.
>> 
>>>> That will make it easier for businesses to determine who is entitled 
>>>> to a service animal accommodation, said the state's Americans with 
>>>> Disabilities Act compliance director Sharon Ellis.
>> 
>>>> "It's going to be so much easier not only to have your service animal 
>>>> by your side, but you'll have the peace of mind to have the state of 
>>>> Michigan by your side also," Ellis said.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> The law also stiffens penalties for people who falsely say their pet 
>>>> is a service animal.
>> 
>>>> It takes effect on Monday.
>> 
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