[NAGDU] Using positive reinforcement instead of punishment

[Yiska]

Awesome. I would be training some additional service tasks. Does anyone
know of owner trainer clicker task lists for duel training?
Yiska

On Dec 18, 2017 17:43, "Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Yiska, there is a clicker list for Seeing Eye grads. Lukas Franck is on
> that
> list to give tips.
> Becky
>
>
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> Yes that does help thank you.
> Yiska
>
> On Dec 18, 2017 15:51, "Tami Jarvis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Yiska,
> >
> > I use clicker training to owner-train my dogs. Since I'm training them
> > from the ground up, I use successive approximation to mold the
> > behaviors for guide work over time. If the dog does mess up once he is
> > trained, I just rework the obstacle, reward him for getting it right
> > and move on. Both of my dogs make few mistakes. For self-rewarding
> > behaviors like sniffing, I simply redirect and reward the dog for
> > redirecting. With my current boy, if he's really in a sniffy mood, I
> > get further with lures, then rewards than I do if I take a negative
> > approach. Generally, I can just say, "Leave it, forward," to get him
> > back on track. So "no" doesn't really come into the equation, since
> > the positive command for what I want him to do does the trick. I also
> > use time outs, just having him stand still until he's ready to get his
> > head back on the job, then we move on. He doesn't like having to turn
> > around and do something over, so we'll do that a time or two if he's
> being
> really stubborn. That doesn't happen often.
> >
> > Around the house, we'll make some sort of noise if one of the dogs is
> > crossing a boundary, but for the most part, I use "leave it," and so
> > on. If I do use a negatory, it doesn't matter what I say, since I'm
> > using tone and body language to remind the dog to straighten out.
> > Sometimes the word that comes out is "no," but often as not, it's an
> unarticulated kind of sound.
> > Just whatever comes out first.
> >
> > I don't give a food reward every time I click or use a verbal marker,
> > like "good," so I can reinforce positive behaviors without slowing
> > down. I use actual treats Las Vegas style, meaning randomly, once the dog
> is trained.
> > At this point, Loki doesn't need much reinforcement for doing the job,
> > but he does better with a bit of cheerleading now and then.
> >
> > hth,
> >
> > Tami
> >
> > On 12/18/2017 02:23 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am wondering about clicker training and positive reinforcement when
> >> it comes to guide work. How do you get a dog to do the right task
> >> after messing up. For example the dog misses an overhead obstacle.
> >> Normally one would leash correct and then rework. How would you
> >> rework if the dog does not get it the first or fourth time? Normally
> >> you would increase corrections. Also for those who clicker train do
> >> you have a disapproval marker like no? I am trying to use much more
> >> positive training but struggled with my last dog. From what I have
> >> learned from youtube there are lots of basic tasks for clicker but
> >> not much past that.
> >>
> >> I get my dog in January from the seeing eye and am very excited.
> >> Yiska
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